IRC log of #cubox of Tue 18 Feb 2014. All times are in CET < Back to index

02:25 Coburn _rmk_, are you there?
02:27 firemanxbr kalasmannen, what's command you use in this case ?
02:27 firemanxbr kalasmannen, I have some experience in ffmpeg, I can help you.
02:32 Dacto Has anyone setup a cross-compiling toolchain for arm?
02:32 Dacto I'm trying to use crosstool-ng to set one up but I keep running into problems
02:33 Coburn Dacto: most distros have one
02:33 Coburn what distro?
02:33 Dacto arch
02:33 Coburn look in the repos to see if you have a ARM chain.
02:33 Coburn Use your distro's one, it is less hassle.
02:35 Dacto distcc style?
02:53 Dacto Coburn: what distro do you use for cross compiling?
02:53 Coburn Debian
02:53 Coburn On a ODROID-XU ARMHF
02:53 Coburn which uses like GCC 4.7.x
02:54 Coburn it was like gcc-armhf-linux-gnueabi or something
02:54 Dacto are you cross compiling on the ODROID or just compiling?
02:54 Coburn using the ODROID compiling kernels for CuBox
02:54 Coburn I just set the kernel to target CuBox and let it rip
08:51 Herb__ TV optimizing? any plan
10:59 kalasmannen bummer that i already had gone to bed... :/
11:11 MikeSeth holy god this channel tripled in size
11:12 rabeeh MikeSeth: \o/
11:13 rabeeh more and more people are joining :)
11:13 MikeSeth rabeeh: did you go on a PR binge or something?
11:13 MikeSeth I leave for a week and there's suddenly people!
11:13 MikeSeth I've scooped up a bunch of books on electronics, a breadboard and a bunch of components
11:14 MikeSeth figured out the math for voltage dividers and the physical properties of semiconductors yesterday :P
11:16 zaher mostly stalkers such as myself :)
11:20 rabeeh physical properties of semiconductors ?
11:20 rabeeh hi zaher
11:20 MikeSeth rabeeh: yeah, as in why n-p junctions work, electron energy levels, forbidden zones etc
11:21 zaher hey rabeeh. I saw the distribution discussion yesterday. Interesting :)
11:23 rabeeh zaher: yeah; i quoted you on the "anything but Ubuntu" :)
11:23 zaher rabeeh: now I am going to get hate mail..
11:24 zaher rabeeh: do you know if anyone had success getting etnaviv running on CBi?
11:25 rabeeh etnaviv worked on gc2k last week... i wonder on which platform
11:25 rabeeh wumpus should have his CBi4pro in hand
11:25 rabeeh zaher: wumpus is the magician behind etnaviv
11:26 zaher rabeeh: cannot wait to move away from 3.0.35 kernel.
11:26 rabeeh soon my friend; soon
11:26 rabeeh rmk, jnettlet and others has put lots of effort on upstream and LK 3.10.7
11:27 zaher that's why I am here.. waiting silently :)
11:27 rabeeh jnettlet yesterday got last batch of patches from rmk; mainly focusing on sdio issues and jnettlet should have something to show in the next few days (jnettlet - is this accurate?)
11:31 rabeeh zaher: kossay says hi
11:31 rabeeh which platform do you have now? only hb?
11:32 zaher rabeeh say hi back. I am really happy to see the fruit of your work guys.. very proud :)
11:33 zaher I have hb and loving it, such a mean little machine.
11:33 rabeeh the newer version (production one) is leaner and meaner
11:34 zaher I'll come to visit you guys next time I am home
11:39 rabeeh MikeSeth: if you want to discuss electrons, spins and stuff; Zaher has PHd in phyiscs from the Technion
11:40 MikeSeth rabeeh: I don't think I am at the point where I can bug people with PhDs with silly questions ;)
11:41 MikeSeth but by the way it looks I'll need an oscilloscope and a logic analyzer soon
11:41 rabeeh ok; looks we are in the same level then; you can bug me if you want
11:41 rabeeh if you want up to 50MHz logic analyzer; i'v previously used the USB based dongles and works pretty good
11:41 rabeeh i forgot the brand though
11:42 rabeeh for scope, if you want up to 100mhz Rigol is a good candidate
11:42 MikeSeth oh, not just yet, first I'm going to put together a stabilized bench supply
11:42 MikeSeth I've been eyeing second hand tektronics on yad2
11:43 rabeeh MikeSeth: the i.MX6 reference manual mentions that the SATA phys can be used as scope :)
11:44 MikeSeth and a bunch of resistors hooked up to an LPT port can be used as a soundcard, doesn't mean you SHOULD do that ;)
11:44 rabeeh it doesn't say how though...
11:44 rabeeh MikeSeth: come on, use your imagination :)
11:44 rabeeh dirt chip scope for schools :)
11:44 rabeeh s/chip/cheap
11:45 MikeSeth you really should put a docking/gpio port on the next gen cubox, then we could actually DO things like this
11:46 MikeSeth btw those tektronix scopes I saw are ~700 shekel
11:46 MikeSeth that's quite affordable considering that this is a principal instrument
11:48 rabeeh 700 NIS only?
11:48 MikeSeth yeah
11:56 jnettlet rabeeh, yes. with the latest rebase there is a bit more work to do merging the freescale patchset in but I am making progress.
11:56 MikeSeth uhh, rebase merges are hell
11:56 MikeSeth that's the one thing I liked about darcs
11:56 MikeSeth branch don't merge? moar fuzz factor
11:56 jnettlet unfortunately freescale has made the horrific mistake of doing an enormous cosmetic change in the device-tree in the middle of their patchset. Basically making any chance of upstreaming this stuff a complete nightmare
11:57 MikeSeth jnettlet: no way to pre-rebase and split the commits then mask out the cosmetic ones?
12:00 jnettlet not really no.
12:01 MikeSeth well, common sense 0, freescale 1
12:03 _rmk_ looks like gregkh threw three more of my imx-drm patches into mainline recently
12:03 jnettlet well just no forethought of what their actions meant. They are treating their kernel branch like it is the endgame, not that it should be upstreamed and doing a stupid change like this makes that impossible
12:04 jnettlet well not impossible just time consuming and annoying
12:04 jnettlet _rmk_, great!
12:04 rabeeh _rmk_ great !!!
12:23 wumpus rabeeh: yes I have it :)
12:52 rabeeh wumpus: the message from last week on etnaviv on gc2k; was it on CBi?
12:53 rabeeh i recall you had gk802 too?
13:02 wumpus rabeeh: yes I have a gk802 too; but the message about gc2k was from austriancoder, he uses some other imx6 dev board but I'm not sure which one
13:02 wumpus haven't tested etnaviv on the new cubox yet, but will get around to it soon hopefully
13:51 rjc from the description on http://www.solid-run.com/mw/index.php/IRC_channel I understand that this is a dev channel
13:52 rjc so forgive me for intrusion if that is indeed the case, but I ran out of ideas
13:52 rjc is there anyone form Solid Run on this channel by any chance?
13:54 rjc I've been trying to contact someone regarding my order (again, sorry if not the right place)
13:54 rjc but my emails remain without any reply
13:57 rjc I left a comment (very unfavorable BTW) on the cubox-i's website and it has been in "awaiting moderation" state for the past two days!
13:58 rjc it seems like I'm not the only one who got impatient
13:59 dv_ from what I see they are getting flooded with requests
13:59 dv_ its apparently more popular than expected
14:00 dv_ which is both good and bad
14:00 dv_ and its okay to ask this in #cubox , it is not really a dev channel anymore . the forum is preferred though.
14:00 rjc dv_: that doesn't justify ignoring multiple customers' emails for months on end
14:01 dv_ wish I had an answer to that. I am not a solidrun guy.
14:01 rjc dv_: this way way they will actually loose more customers in the long run
14:01 rjc this is my 2nd order (I have the original cubox too) with them and, sadly, the last
14:02 dv_ sad, but I can understand
14:02 dv_ I have the cubox-i4pro, and it is a wonderful piece of hardware. sad to see that logistics become a bottleneck
14:03 rjc one big "We're overwhelmed with demand - stay tuned. We appreciate your patience" banner on their website would make a hell of a difference
14:03 dv_ hmmm, thats actually a good idea.
14:03 dv_ at least some kind of feedback for all
14:03 rjc dv_: you reckon? ;^)
14:03 rjc it's just that awkward silence on their part
14:04 rjc it simply seems dodgy
14:04 dv_ yes, I can see how this might look that way
14:04 dv_ I'll try to forward this idea about the banner
14:05 rjc not to mention the fact that when I was ordering it back in december (the same model as yours, btw) nowhere did I find an information: "We don't actually have these in stock!"
14:05 rjc dv_: ta
14:05 dv_ they were out of stock pretty quickly, yes
14:06 rjc dv_: in this day and age one should be able to link stock numbers with online store
14:07 rjc and if not, update the information within minutes or even hours after stock had been depleted
14:07 rjc my experience so far:
14:08 rjc 1. order placed in december - they've taken my money, no information about the lack of the product in stock
14:09 rjc 2. email update at the beginning of january about dificulties with sourcing parts (sic!)
14:09 rjc 3. my reply a couple of weeks after that - not head back
14:10 rjc 4. 2nd reply to their email a couple of weeks ago - not heard back
14:10 dv_ oh. I can see why you are angry.
14:10 rjc 5. comment left on the website on 16th Feb - awaiting moderation (sic!)
14:10 dv_ wish I could do more for you :/
14:11 rjc the conclusion to draw from the above is - we've taken your monies and we don't even have the courtesy to keep you in the loop
14:12 _rmk_ rjc: I believe they /have/ been saying that demand is high, and there are long lead times
14:12 dv_ _rmk_: the core problem I think is lack of communication
14:12 rjc they might be using it for playing on the stock exchange for what I know
14:12 rjc _rmk_: where exaclty? when I place an order, I would expect to know there and then
14:12 dv_ of course they cannot send out status emails every day, but a banner on the forums or on the site about how they are overloaded does sound reasonable
14:13 dv_ so I think its OK if they say it takes say 2 months, as long as you get feedback and are able to look into the current status
14:14 _rmk_ rjc: http://cubox-i.com/stock-and-back-order-updates/
14:15 dv_ oh... okay, gotta admit I didnt know about this page
14:15 _rmk_ it's in their blog, which I'll grant you is not easy to find
14:15 rjc dv_: _rmk_ as I've mentioned, I ordered mine in december
14:16 rjc if it takes them a month to figure out that they don't have any in stock, then it is even more concerning then I initially thought
14:16 _rmk_ rjc: you're being really unfair on them. they only _started_ shipping in January
14:17 rjc I have ordered mine in December - update after a month that they don't have any in stock is unacceptable
14:17 rjc when it comes to two month wait time, I don't actuall mind - as long as I know that *prior* to making a purchase
14:18 rjc and not finding our in due ourse ... a month later
14:18 _rmk_ yes, so you keep saying, and repeating that really doesn't help your cause, because it's resulting in me getting pissed off at you. we're all volunteers here
14:18 rjc _rmk_: why are you "getting pissed of" at me?
14:19 rjc I don't have any beef with you
14:19 rjc when did I ever direct anything personally at you?
14:20 rjc _rmk_: take a chill pill, mate :^)
14:20 dv_ you too rjc :) I understand why you are frustrated, and the need to vent
14:21 dv_ but I can assure you that they wont just take your money and drive off with it
14:21 rjc dv_: ;) I'm good, being kept in the dark simply makes me a bit edgy
14:22 dv_ rjc: http://cubox-i.com/category/blog/
14:22 dv_ perhaps this helps a bit
14:22 rjc dv_: I'm sure they won't - as I've mentioned before, the ordiginal cubox eventually arrived, albeit after a long wait
14:23 rjc dv_: have seen it, have commented - comment awaiting moderation
14:23 rjc all I would like is simply for someone to get back to me
14:23 rjc that's all
14:24 rjc with emails being ignored (for over a month), blog pot comments being moderated, I ran out of ideas - hence my visit here
14:24 dv_ alright
14:25 dv_ some people here are developers, some users, most are volunteers
14:25 rjc dv_: sure, I understand that
14:26 rjc however, I believe that there are actual Solid Run employees here too
14:27 rjc it's to them that I wanted to get to
14:28 rjc that's why I apologised at the very beginning if this is not the best place to have gone for answers - and I don't intend to spend monies to call Israel (as nothing else remains really)
14:37 _rmk_ rjc: we can only tell you what we know... we've been helping solid-run with their various products for a few years, so we've seen what's been going on.
14:37 _rmk_ rjc: there is only one Solid-Run employee here.
14:38 _rmk_ rjc: and we all feel their pain in not being able to keep up with the demand
14:45 MikeSeth yeah they underestimated the demand and overestimated the manufacturer capacity
15:14 _505 rjc, did you try to mail Elinor directly? See post http://imx.solid-run.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=242&p=3446#p3446
15:18 rjc _505: no, I hadn't - I figured that, since they don't respond to a reply to an email which them themselves had sent, sending an email to each individual person is even less likely to succeed
15:18 rjc _rmk_: thakns anyway
15:20 rjc still, it was worth a try to seek answers here, even if only to let some steam off ;^)
15:20 rjc nothing personal to any of you
15:20 rjc I'm sure you do a great job here, which I'm yet to find out ... *after* my order arrives ;^)
15:21 rjc thanks again for all comments
15:21 _rmk_ just hang in there and be patient.
15:21 _rmk_ it's always difficult when a small company launches what turns into a popular product
15:29 rjc am, according to their earlier email I should have received my order by now (was meant to be shipped by the end of Jan)
15:29 rjc and it's not as much as not meeting the deadliens but, and I can't stress it enough, very poor communication with customers
15:30 rjc I do hope that there's a lesson to be learned from all of this for the future
15:31 rjc as a side note, I'm still waiting for a couple of my Kickstarter bounties which are passed their deadlines, but at least I'm being kept in the loop by the project members
15:31 rjc rjc, over and out
15:31 rjc :)
16:19 kalasmannen pwd
16:19 kalasmannen oops
17:21 chron0 ahoy fellow cuboxers
17:53 arden_ hi, does anyone have an unbrick process for a cubox-1pro4 ? I can't seem to serial in either, when I power it on I get a quick flash of the red light and then nothing. I've tried re-flashing the sd card but still nothing.
17:54 _rmk_ there is no unbrick process - there's no on-board memory
17:54 _rmk_ it boots entirely off the SD card
17:56 arden_ humm, I cant seem to get it to boot tho, it was working this morning, I loaded geexbox on the sdcard, setup xbmc, then started scanning my nfs shares, came back after about 4 hours and the light was off and the unit wont come back on since
17:58 _rmk_ arden: I believe the red light coming on means it loaded the "SPL" part of uboot off the card... it going off again... hmm.
17:58 arden_ serial just hangs, via putty, when i disconnect the usb cable I get a popup message saying error reading from serial device
17:58 arden_ I've tried another card too
17:59 arden_ I only got the device yesterday too haha, fun and games!
18:00 arden_ I'll try throwing android 4.3 onto it instead of geexbox and see if theres any difference
18:00 _rmk_ just wondering if you're suffering from a power brick failure... and wondering whether there's a way for you to check that
18:01 arden_ aaa, whats the power brick failure?
18:01 _rmk_ what happens to the optical out connector on the side?
18:01 arden_ quick red flash
18:02 arden_ then thast it
18:02 _rmk_ so same as the red led on the front
18:02 arden_ no red light on the front at all, there was this morning tho
18:03 _rmk_ so the front red light never comes on?
18:04 arden_ no, the front red light never comes on, only the optical red light comes on and the off again very fast
18:06 arden_ ok, flashing the android img onto the sd card now, will give that a go in about 5 mins
18:13 arden_ na, same issue :(
18:33 arden_ yea, looks like a hardware issue, will try to find another power supply and see of that has anything to do with it
20:13 rabeeh chron0: welcome to #cubox :)
20:46 unununium_ Hello everybody! :)
20:47 unununium_ I am a stupid person, needing a short help... Does Cubox-i4 have a serial output if no sd/usb/whatever has been connected?
20:51 jnettlet unununium_, you need u-boot installed on the sdhc card to get terminal output.
20:51 _rmk_ it has no internal memory, so it won't boot without a sd card
20:54 mk01 unununium_: even the console & port definitions are stored within U-BOOT parameters. so no, you won't get serial console without card.
20:54 unununium_ Thank you!
20:55 unununium_ No the only open question is, where the sd card is, i was promised to get. :P (Yes, i think, it was forgotten. Shit happens.)
20:55 rabeeh unununium_: one of the CBi design goal was to have zero non volatile storage on it
20:56 rabeeh everything starts with the microsd
20:56 rabeeh although the user manual mentions secondary boot; but i think no one touched that for now
20:56 rabeeh for instance to have secondary boot on eSata CBi or mSata on HB
20:58 unununium_ I want to use a micro sd anyways. ;)
21:00 unununium_ Is there a limit to the size of the micro sd?
21:01 rabeeh up to 64GB
21:01 rabeeh i don't think one tested with 128GB; if there is any
21:02 unununium_ Thank you! :) 64GB is more than enough.
21:03 unununium_ Ah, found the right page in the wiki. I think, this solves a lot of problems! :)
21:03 rabeeh i'm using 4GB to 64GB SanDisk
21:05 unununium_ At the moment i only have 8gb anyways... will have to buy another one sooner or later. But for testing it is more than enough.
21:06 unununium_ And I'm happy, that it arrived before i move. ;) By the end of this month this could have become a problem.
21:24 mk01 rabeeh: what was the variable you was telling me last time that you set the initial boot device. what would allow skipping the u-boot procedures and load directly kernel from raw ?
21:24 rabeeh it's a u-boot featured called Falcon mode
21:25 rabeeh i haven't tested it though; but the idea is that SPL code directly boots the kernel (i'm not sure if it's zImage or something else)
21:26 mk01 rabeeh: yes I'm looking at the docs already. thanks
21:26 rabeeh mk01: tried Xbian last night
21:26 rabeeh boots pretty fast; and the skin looks lighter from the xbmc default
21:27 rabeeh had issues with the refresh rate change.. it did the switch but the playback was fast
21:27 mk01 rabeeh: it is uImage, uboot needs to be recompiled to regenerate SPL. will try later.
21:27 rabeeh i think it still thinks it should be 60hz; although the vsync now is 24hz
21:29 mk01 rabeeh: what you have for TV and where are you reading the info from? this was tested only with my two screens and with xraxor. so definitely not enough.
21:30 rabeeh mk01: Toshiba TV, supports 24,50,60
21:30 rabeeh content was 23.976 and TV configured to 24hz
21:30 mk01 but it was working ok in the way movie 24 -> xbmc changed 24, tv showed 24
21:30 rabeeh yes. if i keep the 60hz movie plays ok
21:31 rabeeh well.. it's a youtube 'HD trailer 300 second movie'
21:31 rabeeh :)
21:31 mk01 rabeeh: 23.976 -> 24.000 is set in advancedsettings.xml
21:32 mk01 rabeeh: only tell me again if I understand it: tv switched to 24hz and movie was playing 3x faster >
21:32 mk01 ?
21:33 rabeeh yes :)
21:33 mk01 OH
21:33 mk01 ok
21:34 rabeeh i think IPU was still configured as it was for 60hz
21:34 rabeeh anyhow; i can't really find any of the xbian patches; do you have them somewhere?
21:34 rabeeh i looked at the xbian github repo; but nothing CBi related
21:35 mk01 can you send me xbmc.log ? with the changes to EGL IMX I was putting more logging specially around movie info -> what xbmc wants to change on screen -> how it is trying to change -> how it is read from ipu after the change
21:35 mk01 rabeeh: so you run still clean old image ?
21:35 mk01 rabeeh: just run apt-get update/upgrade
21:36 rabeeh nop; new image
21:36 mk01 rabeeh: or in CLI run xbian-config -> updates
21:36 rabeeh latest
21:36 mk01 rabeeh: I'm not regerating img very often
21:36 rabeeh mk01: thats fine
21:36 rabeeh lots of RPi notes still in the menus :)
21:37 rabeeh do you have the repo somewhere online?
21:37 rabeeh i'll look into those patches
21:37 mk01 rabeeh: yes that's fine but you don;t have updates installed then. so install them
21:37 mk01 img is from 02-Feb
21:38 rabeeh i did the updates (apt-get update / upgrade)
21:38 mk01 I was posting updates to almost everything two days ago
21:38 rabeeh both from cli (that failed) and in the xbian-config it worked.
21:38 mk01 rabeeh: I MISUNDERSTOOD you
21:39 mk01 rabeeh: got the point now. you mean SOURCE patches
21:39 rabeeh oh sorry; maybe i was not clear
21:39 rabeeh yes; source patches to hack and review :)
21:40 mk01 it is supposed to be in xbian-patches but you are right, cubox is missing still as I wasn't considering it even close to public release.
21:41 mk01 rabeeh: but suprisingly the feedbacks are saying its playing better than OE and Geek so I should release them probably
21:42 mk01 and PLEASE send me the xbmc log
21:53 mk01 rabeeh: the main issue I consider it still as WIP is that as I integrated the res&freq switchings I got reports about CEC not working anymore. I can't test as I'm waiting for Samsung to change motherboard on my TV (by accident exactly CEC started not to work) ... and at the same time there are reports about some issues with Gotham nightlies and RCs. So I'm somehow stuck at the moment not able to track it down.
21:53 mk01 rabeeh: but considering source patches, there are none to your kernel. it is all XBMC and included EGL
21:54 dv_ mk01: are you in some connection with the wolfgar user from github?
21:55 dv_ he is one of the people who have been developing xbmc IMX patches
21:56 mk01 dv_: yes I know, it is all based on wolfgar's patches
21:57 mk01 dv_: of course I wasn't reinventing the wheel again :D
22:27 chron0 rabeeh: thanks, alredy reading up on some logs regarding gentoo on the cubox :)
22:29 chron0 found some wiki and your talk with Wizzup about gentoo related issues and will setup another crossev toolchain for the cubox and see how far I can get :)
22:30 chron0 I would guess your github repo holds the most feature rich kernel (as opposed to 3.3+ derivates) ?
22:42 mk01 chron0: it depends on what you understand under "feature rich". if aim is on all Cubox's internal devices to be supported then yes, go with rabeeh's kernel.
22:44 chron0 mk01: yes, that would be my understanding of feature ritch, meaning implemented support for plattform specific hardware and features :) my bad for being a bit unprecise :)
23:35 heap hi is there easy way how to run in parallel on the cubox NAS, XBMC, OwnCloud and Voyage MPD?
23:35 heap as i see all of them are as single apps customized on single OS.
23:37 mk01 heap: not all. XBian is (pre)bundled XBMC with setups&configs integrated into XBMC to allow pure use as MediaStation but under is un-hacked Debian
23:38 mk01 heap: or better to say un-broken Debian
23:40 heap so its impossible to install one distro and run all services in parallel? and start xbmc on demand?
23:43 mk01 heap: yes. as Cubox-i is still WIP there easiest for you would take .img and then disable XBMC autostart. otherwise you could just install the XBian's .deb over your system - but howto for XB/CBi is missing and if you are asking it means you need also the base system. So take XBian .img which is debootstraped Debian/Jessie.
23:44 mk01 heap: including universal u-boot with spk
23:44 mk01 spl
23:46 heap well for nas and owncloud and apparently voyage MDP debian distro is needed.
23:47 heap mk01: whats WIP? i have old cuboxpro
23:48 mk01 heap: ok... then i'm not right. what I said is relevant for CBi
23:48 heap and whats XB/CBi? whats XB ... sorry for those questions
23:48 mk01 CBi = Cubox-i
23:48 heap and XB?
23:48 mk01 XBian
23:49 heap ok so i was thinking if there is any package for cubox pro debian to run xbmc
23:50 heap i saw Geexbox, but it looks like only for xbmc..
23:50 heap it is*, so im kind of confused
23:50 mk01 I really don't know. I started with Cubox only with introduction of Cubox-i - that's also why I can't get used to think over them as two devices, what is apparently needed.