|  08:12  |  ralix  |   morning  | 
|  08:19  |  wumpus  |   in case anyone's interested in reverse engineering the gpu in the cubox and helping write an open source driver, there's a project for that now: https://github.com/laanwj/etna_viv/wiki  | 
|  10:01  |  rabeeh  |   wumps: hi  | 
|  10:02  |  rabeeh  |   wumps: your github caught my eyes :)  | 
|  10:22  |  wumpus  |   rabeeh: hey  | 
|  10:23  |  wumpus  |   mind that I don't have a cubox myself yet (but another device with a GC800), however the chip should be mostly the same  | 
|  10:54  |  Thirsty  |   rabeeh: do you get better support for Marvell these days?  | 
|  11:07  |  rabeeh  |   wumps: mmp2?  | 
|  11:08  |  rabeeh  |   Thirsty: I get support  | 
|  11:08  |  rabeeh  |   Thirsty: r u referring to the court thing?  | 
|  11:08  |  wumpus  |   just the Vivante stuff (2D/3D rendering engine)  | 
|  11:09  |  rabeeh  |   the gc800; is it a Marvell based device? i recally mmp2 has gc800 inside  | 
|  11:10  |  rabeeh  |   wumpus: the vivante gpu is in lots of SoCs today; I think the freescale imx are using them too  | 
|  11:11  |  wumpus  |   mine has a rockchip 2918 soc  | 
|  11:11  |  wumpus  |   afaik it's marvell armada, rockchip 2918 and  indeed the freescale i.mx6 that has vivante.. but there's probably more  | 
|  11:12  |  rabeeh  |   there are few more.  | 
|  11:12  |  rabeeh  |   what's the idea behind reverse engineering?  | 
|  11:12  |  rabeeh  |   the kernel driver is open source  | 
|  11:13  |  wumpus  |   open source userspace  | 
|  11:13  |  rabeeh  |   (i know)  | 
|  11:13  |  rabeeh  |   :)  | 
|  11:13  |  rabeeh  |   i meant what's the plan?  | 
|  11:13  |  rabeeh  |   in what stage are you on this?  | 
|  11:13  |  wumpus  |   well what's mainly needed is a shader compiler now  | 
|  11:14  |  wumpus  |   the part about how to render is mostly figured out  | 
|  11:15  |  wumpus  |   the most difficult thing is that there are zillion different possibilities with the feature bits, so what works on one device may not work exactly the same on another  | 
|  11:15  |  Thirsty  |   rabeeh: half a year ago, graphic driver was a problem and getting respons for better ones for Marvell, take a while. I don't know if it's getting better?  | 
|  11:15  |  rabeeh  |   Thirsty: Marvell gets the GPU support from Vivante too; that's the main bottleneck  | 
|  11:16  |  Thirsty  |   I finally moved to a my new home. So now I got time again to play with the cubox again  | 
|  11:16  |  rabeeh  |   :)  | 
|  11:16  |  rabeeh  |   congrats  | 
|  11:16  |  Thirsty  |   thanks.  | 
|  11:16  |  rabeeh  |   rmull: CuBox pro is changing DDR chip from 2Gb to 4Gb  | 
|  11:17  |  rabeeh  |   i don't know if you have rework station; but if you do then you can switch the chips  | 
|  11:17  |  Thirsty  |   rabeeh: what packages are the chips? BGA or TSSOP?  | 
|  11:17  |  rabeeh  |   BGA  | 
|  11:18  |  rabeeh  |   it's the standard jedec 96balls 0.8mm pitch devices  | 
|  11:18  |  Thirsty  |   my old company had one :(  | 
|  11:18  |  rabeeh  |   wumpus: are you familiar with Vivante profiling capability?  | 
|  11:19  |  Thirsty  |   I saw yesterday that shesselba did a lot of work to port the kernel to v3.6.  | 
|  11:21  |  Thirsty  |   and also getting it in to the mainline kernel  | 
|  11:27  |  wumpus  |   rabeeh: yes, somewhat, the chip has various performance counters per module  | 
|  11:30  |  wumpus  |   both low level (number of 8-byte quantities read) and higher level (number of primitives rendered)  | 
|  11:33  |  wumpus  |   they're read from the kernel (because userspace can only write state)  | 
|  11:54  |  Thirsty  |   rabeeh: are there any graphic kernel drivers v3.6 kernel?  | 
|  11:59  |  Coburn  |   I await the day I see Portal 3 on the CuBox  | 
|  12:00  |  Coburn  |   :)  | 
|  12:00  |  bencoh  |   :)  | 
|  12:00  |  wumpus  |   hehe  | 
|  12:01  |  Coburn  |   Also, was there any intention to port android on the CuBox?  | 
|  12:01  |  Coburn  |   I know 2.2 was ported, but that's OLD  | 
|  12:02  |  Coburn  |   4.2.x is where the flavor is at (Jelly Bean)  | 
|  12:02  |  Coburn  |   Reason I ask is that there's a console called OUYA that has a Tegra quadcore in it running Android  | 
|  12:02  |  Coburn  |   and it's designed like a PS3/Xbox/etc  | 
|  12:03  |  Coburn  |   The console is in the works, but it's got a lot of big-names backing it  | 
|  12:03  |  Coburn  |   Just thought I'd bring that onto the battlefield, because it would be a CuBox rival when it comes to gaming  | 
|  12:05  |  rmull  |   rabeeh: I do have rework capability - the cubox pro is the only one that will be upgradeable? I have the original non-pro cubox  | 
|  12:08  |  Coburn  |   I thought I heard rumors that the original CuBox had 2GB DDR3 RAM, but only 1GB was accessable?  | 
|  12:08  |  rabeeh  |   Coburn: the board supported 4Gb devices (4Gb x 4 devices = 2GB)  | 
|  12:08  |  Thirsty  |   Coburn: that would be great  | 
|  12:11  |  Coburn  |   I don't understand what you mean by 4Gb x 4  | 
|  12:11  |  Coburn  |   I thought that would be 16GB?  | 
|  12:11  |  Coburn  |   Do you mean 4Mbits?  | 
|  12:11  |  Coburn  |   4Gbits*  | 
|  12:11  |  wumpus  |   Gb not GB :p  | 
|  12:11  |  Thirsty  |   16Gbit / 8 bit = 4GByte  | 
|  12:11  |  Thirsty  |   16Gbit / 8 bit = 2GByte  | 
|  12:12  |  Coburn  |   Thirsty: that does not compute  | 
|  12:12  |  Coburn  |   you mean 32Gbit / 8 = 4Gbyte  | 
|  12:12  |  Coburn  |   ?  | 
|  12:13  |  Thirsty  |   yep, I was to fast :)  | 
|  12:13  |  Coburn  |   So in the original cubox case  | 
|  12:13  |  Coburn  |   It's a 8Gbit RAM chip?  | 
|  12:13  |  rabeeh  |   yes  | 
|  12:13  |  rabeeh  |   four devices each 2Gb  | 
|  12:13  |  rabeeh  |   4x2Gb = 1GB :)  | 
|  12:13  |  Coburn  |   Ohhhhhhhh  | 
|  12:14  |  rabeeh  |   now on the pro-  | 
|  12:14  |  rabeeh  |   4x4Gb = 2GB  | 
|  12:14  |  Coburn  |   Now it clears up.  | 
|  12:14  |  Thirsty  |   rabeeh: now you want to make a 4gbyte version?  | 
|  12:14  |  Coburn  |   Damn Gbit terms, can't they just use plain english?  | 
|  12:15  |  Coburn  |   I'd upgrade the CPU before hitting 4Gytes  | 
|  12:15  |  Coburn  |   of RAM  | 
|  12:15  |  Coburn  |   I mean, wouldn't it be a little wasteful having a single core running with 4GB of RAM?  | 
|  12:15  |  Coburn  |   Also, rabeeh, what does dual issue mean? Two instructions being fired at once?  | 
|  12:16  |  rabeeh  |   4GB is a waste on any 32bit architecture  | 
|  12:16  |  Thirsty  |   I think a lot of server application a lot of memory is usefull.  | 
|  12:16  |  rabeeh  |   dual issue mean two instructions at once (if they don't conflict from resource point of view)  | 
|  12:17  |  rabeeh  |   but this would be ARMv8 (which is 64bit)  | 
|  12:17  |  rabeeh  |   in general more memory can be used on ARM once using LPAE  | 
|  12:17  |  Coburn  |   64bit ARM? Count me in  | 
|  12:17  |  rabeeh  |   Coburn: still no devices available on this; it's a pretty new architecture  | 
|  12:18  |  rabeeh  |   LPAE in ARM is 40bit physical addressability  | 
|  12:18  |  wumpus  |   also I wonder if the focus on 64 bit and high performance will start to cancel out the power advantage ARM has compared to Intel  | 
|  12:18  |  rabeeh  |   wumpus: it doesn't  | 
|  12:18  |  rabeeh  |   it's a RISC vs. CISC battle  | 
|  12:18  |  wumpus  |   cool  | 
|  12:18  |  Coburn  |   Intel Atoms compared with ARM are dead in the water  | 
|  12:19  |  Coburn  |   I mean, the Atom gets shat on by ARM  | 
|  12:19  |  rabee  |  12:19  * rabeeh agrees  | 
|  12:19  |  Coburn  |   I had a board that had a dualcore with HyperThreading Atom 330  | 
|  12:19  |  Coburn  |   When it did USB I/O or connect a SSD to it  | 
|  12:19  |  Coburn  |   it bogged down  | 
|  12:20  |  Coburn  |   any major I/O = lag  | 
|  12:20  |  rabeeh  |   USB 2.0?  | 
|  12:20  |  rabeeh  |   or USB 3.0?  | 
|  12:20  |  Coburn  |   yeah.  | 
|  12:20  |  Thirsty  |   I am not so sure about it. I reed a artical about it. Atom Z2760 vs Tegra 3. Dutch: http://nl.hardware.info/reviews/3740/intel-atom-z2760-vs-nvidia-tegra-3-review-hoe-presteert-windows-8-op-x86-en-arm  | 
|  12:21  |  Coburn  |   Intel is a sitting duck.  | 
|  12:21  |  rabeeh  |   Coburn: lots of people thought the same :)  | 
|  12:21  |  rabeeh  |   i think there will be a fight; no one will know the results yet.  | 
|  12:21  |  Coburn  |   I have a ODROID-U2, which is a quadcore Exynos 1.7Ghz PC (same spec as the Galaxy note 2) and it's a ARMv7  | 
|  12:21  |  Coburn  |   It flies  | 
|  12:21  |  Coburn  |   Runs Ubuntu 12.10 quickly  | 
|  12:22  |  Thirsty  |   I also was looking a that one.  | 
|  12:22  |  Coburn  |   Be warned  | 
|  12:22  |  Thirsty  |   Too bad, i didn't had 1gbit lan  | 
|  12:22  |  Coburn  |   the base unit doesn't come with AC adapter  | 
|  12:22  |  Coburn  |   that's $20 extra  | 
|  12:22  |  rabeeh  |   it's pretty nakes  | 
|  12:22  |  rabeeh  |   it's pretty naked  | 
|  12:22  |  Coburn  |   and debug board is $15 extra  | 
|  12:22  |  rabeeh  |   i saw you were using the heatsink with it?  | 
|  12:23  |  Coburn  |   you saw my youtube video?  | 
|  12:23  |  rabeeh  |   yes  | 
|  12:23  |  Coburn  |   Yeah, it comes with heat sink  | 
|  12:23  |  rabeeh  |   Aluminum heatsink?  | 
|  12:23  |  Coburn  |   something like that  | 
|  12:23  |  rabeeh  |   is it hot? bearable?  | 
|  12:23  |  rabeeh  |   cold?  | 
|  12:23  |  Coburn  |   that acts like a stand, and yes, I compiled a kernel on it and it was just warmer than my skin  | 
|  12:23  |  rabeeh  |   i mean after working for 1hr doing heavy stuff  | 
|  12:23  |  rabeeh  |   that's ok  | 
|  12:23  |  Coburn  |   Haven't tested that, but does compiling a kernel count?  | 
|  12:24  |  rabeeh  |   make -j4?  | 
|  12:24  |  Coburn  |   Seemed to leave one core idle though  | 
|  12:24  |  Coburn  |   just sudo make  | 
|  12:24  |  Coburn  |   forgot that param  | 
|  12:24  |  rabeeh  |   files from SD? SATA?  | 
|  12:24  |  Coburn  |   eMMC and uSD onboard  | 
|  12:24  |  rabeeh  |   i typically use 'sar'  | 
|  12:24  |  rabeeh  |   oh; those are really slow  | 
|  12:25  |  Coburn  |   No SATA I don't think...  | 
|  12:25  |  Coburn  |   Uh  | 
|  12:25  |  rabeeh  |   probably your processors are waiting for I/O to finish  | 
|  12:25  |  Coburn  |   well actually  | 
|  12:25  |  Coburn  |   sorr  | 
|  12:25  |  Coburn  |   y  | 
|  12:25  |  Coburn  |   USB SSD  | 
|  12:25  |  Coburn  |   in a SATA2 caddy  | 
|  12:25  |  rabeeh  |   run 'make -j4' and in parallel run 'sar -du 5 1'  | 
|  12:25  |  Coburn  |   what's sar do?  | 
|  12:25  |  rabeeh  |   gives stats on lots of things  | 
|  12:25  |  Coburn  |   okay, noted  | 
|  12:26  |  rabeeh  |   http://linux.die.net/man/1/sar  | 
|  12:26  |  rabeeh  |   sar -du 5 1 will collect cpu utilization for 5 seconds and report  | 
|  12:26  |  Coburn  |   They say it uses uBoot to start up  | 
|  12:26  |  Coburn  |   but I cannot see where the uImage is  | 
|  12:26  |  Coburn  |   just zImage  | 
|  12:26  |  Coburn  |   so I think it's Samsung bootloader only  | 
|  12:26  |  Coburn  |   Supervivi or something like that  | 
|  12:26  |  rabeeh  |   i hate those custom boot loaders  | 
|  12:27  |  Coburn  |   Well, it's handy  | 
|  12:27  |  Coburn  |   just replace the zImage and off you go  | 
|  12:27  |  Coburn  |   however, I could be wrong; I don't have debug board so I can't tell you if it is uBoot  | 
|  12:27  |  Coburn  |   Gotta order one  | 
|  12:28  |  Coburn  |   can uBoot boot zImages?  | 
|  12:28  |  Coburn  |   Or only uImage?  | 
|  12:30  |  Cobur  |  12:30  * Coburn pokes rabeeh  | 
|  12:30  |  Coburn  |   Looks like I killed the channel.  | 
|  12:31  |  bencoh  |   yeah, you silly killer.  | 
|  12:32  |  Coburn  |   However, one thing the ODROID-U2 lacks is the support base  | 
|  12:32  |  Coburn  |   the support forums are horrible  | 
|  12:33  |  Coburn  |   phpBB2 and the people there are questionabl  | 
|  12:33  |  Coburn  |   e*  | 
|  12:33  |  Coburn  |   like they don't read the FAQs, don't use search, etc.  | 
|  12:34  |  Coburn  |   Not bashing them, but it's patchy  | 
|  12:40  |  rabeeh  |   here  | 
|  12:40  |  rabeeh  |   u-boot can boot zImage  | 
|  12:41  |  rabeeh  |   Coburn: where can i get more information on the lcd register issue thing?  | 
|  12:42  |  rabeeh  |   have a pointer? or something?  | 
|  12:42  |  Coburn  |   [21:40:47] < rabeeh> u-boot can boot zImage <- Aha! So that's what happens then!  | 
|  12:42  |  Coburn  |   rabeeh: your best info would be _rmk_, but he was sent to exile, no?  | 
|  12:43  |  rabeeh  |   yea  | 
|  12:43  |  rabeeh  |   i don't know what happened there  | 
|  12:44  |  Coburn  |   I think he just got pissed off to the extent that he didn't want to talk to you anymore  | 
|  12:44  |  Coburn  |   Not blaming anyone  | 
|  12:44  |  Coburn  |   Just observation  | 
|  12:44  |  Coburn  |   He could have been in a ragey mood too.  | 
|  12:44  |  Coburn  |   bribe him back and interrogate him :P  | 
|  12:45  |  Coburn  |   Ok  | 
|  12:45  |  Coburn  |   [21:45:02] NickServ [NickServ@services.]: Last seen  : Jan 03 12:00:37 2013 (4 days, 23:44:31 ago)  | 
|  12:45  |  Coburn  |   He's been MIA  | 
|  12:56  |  rabeeh  |   i sent him an email clearing things up  | 
|  12:57  |  Coburn  |   That's good  | 
|  12:57  |  rabeeh  |   well.. that was 10minutes after he left; never got anything back  | 
|  12:57  |  Coburn  |   :(  | 
|  12:57  |  Coburn  |   If I had the tools  | 
|  12:58  |  Coburn  |   I'd be able to give you dumps of the registers when it "derps"  | 
|  12:58  |  Coburn  |   derp = goes stupid  | 
|  12:58  |  Coburn  |   It's mostly present in GeeXbox.  | 
|  12:58  |  rabeeh  |   i still don't understand what the issue is  | 
|  12:58  |  rabeeh  |   oh; so it's on geexbox  | 
|  12:58  |  rabeeh  |   how do you reproduce? what do you see?  | 
|  12:59  |  Coburn  |   dbsx hasn't experienced it, but I have (he's got one of the first cuboxes).  | 
|  12:59  |  Coburn  |   From what I understand  | 
|  12:59  |  rabeeh  |   dbsx is our Aussie distributor :)  | 
|  12:59  |  Coburn  |   I boot up GeeXbox  | 
|  12:59  |  rabeeh  |   he has lots of CuBoxes :)  | 
|  12:59  |  Coburn  |   Yup  | 
|  13:00  |  Coburn  |   My cubox I had is at my brothers, but what he does is  | 
|  13:00  |  Coburn  |   Boot up CuBox -> select video -> it buffers (WORKING....) and then the screen flickers as the video resolution is set  | 
|  13:00  |  Coburn  |   sometimes, the screen will flicker, and the video will play back, but then the overlay with time, clock and controls will be skewered  | 
|  13:01  |  Coburn  |   This is Standard Definition DVD Rips. a mixture or standard and high profile.  | 
|  13:01  |  rabeeh  |   skewered ?  | 
|  13:01  |  Coburn  |   when the system is glitched and the register is malfunctioning, a diagnoal line exists  | 
|  13:01  |  rabeeh  |   completely corrupted?  | 
|  13:02  |  Coburn  |   let me get you a photo.  | 
|  13:02  |  rabeeh  |   oh great; photo :)  | 
|  13:03  |  Coburn  |   come on twitter, you're so slow  | 
|  13:04  |  Coburn  |   rabeeh: https://twitter.com/coburn64/status/278649358164058112/photo/1  | 
|  13:04  |  Coburn  |   That explains it quite well  | 
|  13:04  |  rabeeh  |   oh  | 
|  13:04  |  rabeeh  |   so the RGB pitch got corrupted  | 
|  13:04  |  rabeeh  |   so good; it's an LCD controller issue and not a GPU  | 
|  13:04  |  Coburn  |   ...pitch?  | 
|  13:05  |  rabeeh  |   if you look the line meats on the middle at the bottom  | 
|  13:05  |  rabeeh  |   i mean the diagonal line  | 
|  13:05  |  rabeeh  |   that means the pitch is missed in a single pixel  | 
|  13:05  |  Coburn  |   Ok  | 
|  13:06  |  Coburn  |   And with this, you can file a defect with Marvell?  | 
|  13:06  |  rabeeh  |   :)  | 
|  13:06  |  rabeeh  |   it's a driver issue that I can probably fix  | 
|  13:06  |  rabeeh  |   but i need to recreate  | 
|  13:06  |  rabeeh  |   well.. one thing  | 
|  13:06  |  rabeeh  |   how th resolution changes? did u set the resolution to change upon video resolution?  | 
|  13:07  |  Coburn  |   I don't know. The screen just flickers  | 
|  13:07  |  rabeeh  |   i mean if it's 720p movie; did u set it to change the gui resolution?  | 
|  13:07  |  Coburn  |   Could it be just XBMC warming up?  | 
|  13:07  |  Coburn  |   I don't think so  | 
|  13:07  |  Coburn  |   I can't remmeber  | 
|  13:07  |  rabeeh  |   what happens once you exit from the movie?  | 
|  13:07  |  Coburn  |   stays skewered  | 
|  13:07  |  rabeeh  |   does it go well back again?  | 
|  13:07  |  rabeeh  |   ok.  | 
|  13:07  |  Coburn  |   need to power cycle it  | 
|  13:08  |  Coburn  |   xorg reboot may fix it...  | 
|  13:08  |  Coburn  |   not sure. again, I need to get a cubox off dbsx since mine was sold to my brothers  | 
|  13:08  |  rabeeh  |   it's probably something went bad when enabling the video plane; something is messing with the graphics overlay  | 
|  13:08  |  Coburn  |   Can you look into it?  | 
|  13:09  |  rabeeh  |   yes. but first i need to reliably reproduce it  | 
|  13:09  |  Coburn  |   I'll let you know this  | 
|  13:09  |  Coburn  |   Got Windows? Try ripping a DVD and then encoding using handbrake using high profile mp4  | 
|  13:09  |  Coburn  |   then put that on usb hdd/stick and play back  | 
|  13:09  |  Coburn  |   stop the video, play it agian  | 
|  13:10  |  Coburn  |   do that like 20 times and see if you can get it to play around  | 
|  13:10  |  rabeeh  |   is this why _rmk_ was angry about?  | 
|  13:11  |  Coburn  |   somewhat  | 
|  13:11  |  Coburn  |   if i recall, you were saying "no, it can't happen" and he said "I can replicate it"  | 
|  13:11  |  Coburn  |   i could be wrong. don't quote me on that  | 
|  13:12  |  Coburn  |   but anyway. If we can get this issue fixed, it's all for the best. I'd be willing to provide register dumps and such  | 
|  13:12  |  rabeeh  |   Coburn: if you were able to reproduce (or anyone on the channel); there is a 'cat /proc/mv_lcd0' that dumps all registers on the LCD controller  | 
|  13:12  |  rabeeh  |   it would be helpful getting a dump before and after the issue happens  | 
|  13:13  |  Coburn  |   beautiful  | 
|  13:13  |  Coburn  |   I will do that ASAP  | 
|  13:13  |  Coburn  |   don't forget to put my name in the "bugfix credits"  | 
|  13:13  |  Coburn  |   ;)  | 
|  13:15  |  rabeeh  |   :)  | 
|  13:15  |  Coburn  |   luckily, I have a EXACT uSD image that my brother has of the XBMC setup  | 
|  13:16  |  Coburn  |   so I can deploy it and saves me the hassle of setting things back up  | 
|  13:24  |  dbsx  |   Coburn: order the CuBox and it can be there on Thursday (or do you need another credit?)  | 
|  13:28  |  rabeeh  |   Coburn: The Smurfs?  | 
|  13:32  |  Coburn  |   dbsx: I'm still waiting on payment from my brother.  | 
|  13:32  |  Coburn  |   rabeeh: yeah, I was tasked to rip DVDs that my brother's nieces watch, so that video was the first one that glitched  | 
|  13:32  |  Coburn  |   the next glitch happened on Shrek  | 
|  13:33  |  jnettlet  |   doing graphics development I have learned to treat the saved screenshots the same as a doctor or lawyer would.  complete confidentiality and zero personal judgement  | 
|  13:34  |  bencoh  |   :)  | 
|  13:35  |  Coburn  |   anyway, gotta get to bed. parents bugging me to turn lights out and stuff.  | 
|  13:36  |  jnettlet  |   have sweet dreams of small blue blondes ;-D  | 
|  13:36  |  Coburn  |   oh please  | 
|  13:36  |  Cobur  |  13:36  * Coburn cringes  | 
|  13:36  |  Coburn  |   dbsx: I'll call you tomorrow re cubox.  | 
|  13:37  |  Coburn  |   for now, I gotta get some shuteye, g'nite.  | 
|  13:47  |  diget  |   yeah! Finally the waiting has an end. My cubox just arrived this moment \o/. Looks really nice.  | 
|  14:03  |  Thirsty  |   I can try some files.  | 
|  14:07  |  Thirsty  |   I installed the geexbox-devel-20121206-r15609.cubox.tar.bz2 version on my SDcard  | 
|  14:19  |  Thirsty  |   I see that solid-run has a deb package repository. I also added to source.list. Which distrobution do I need? I currently running Debian Wheezy armhf.  | 
|  14:20  |  Thirsty  |   I get the following errors: libbmm-dev : Depends: libc6 (>= 2.15-0ubuntu8) but 2.13-37 is to be installed  | 
|  14:21  |  Thirsty  |   I am up-to-date with debian  | 
|  14:27  |  Thirsty  |   Ok, I found it. http://www.solid-run.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=691&p=5988&hilit=source.list#p5988  | 
|  22:02  |  niteye  |   how to tell if you have cubox v1 or v2 and whats the difference ?  | 
|  22:04  |  neofob  |   niteye: the v1 cubox has the serial usb port above the esata port  | 
|  22:04  |  niteye  |   ah okay  | 
|  22:05  |  niteye  |   frustrating, i dont have a micro-usb B cable heh  | 
|  22:05  |  neofob  |   you should, most cellphone these days use it to charge  | 
|  22:06  |  niteye  |   my phone is from before the age of connecting phones via USB, ill have to scrounge in my sister's room tomorrow  |