| 08:26 | jnettlet | wumpus, ping |
| 08:31 | wumpus | jnettlet: pong |
| 08:32 | jnettlet | wumpus, wondering if you wanted that XO-4. I am going to send dv_'s info over to get his shipped. |
| 08:33 | wumpus | ah yes, I'll send my info |
| 08:33 | wumpus | but just so you know I can't promise anything, I'm extremely busy already |
| 08:34 | jnettlet | wumpus, I am not asking for anything. Just want to make sure you have the hardware on hand down the road. |
| 08:34 | wumpus | so it may be very useful for testing, but I can't spend much time getting devices up and running and such |
| 08:34 | wumpus | okay :D |
| 08:35 | jnettlet | Most of the devices are up and running. Make sure you include your phone number. |
| 08:35 | wumpus | well there was a certain point months ago many people were trying to send me devices 'hey get etnaviv to work on this', I just feel guilty then :) |
| 08:36 | wumpus | I send my mail and phone |
| 08:37 | wumpus | sent* |
| 08:37 | jnettlet | I am more interested in if I have a problem with etnaviv you will be able to replicate it to help debug if you have time. |
| 08:37 | wumpus | I understand |
| 08:37 | rabeeh | which gc does mmp3 use? |
| 08:37 | jnettlet | GC1000 |
| 08:38 | wumpus | GC1000 is great, should be supported already |
| 08:39 | jnettlet | it is a big.LITTLE tri-core MMP3 (although I still haven't finished the multicore stuff), 2GB's RAM, and GC1000. Which I admit I still need to test etnaviv on |
| 08:39 | wumpus | tchebb did some work with that on the chromecast, he had no problems with etnaviv, however getting a working frame buffer was a bigger challenge though |
| 08:39 | cbxbiker61 | damn, i just spent an hour and a half looking for one of my spare usb to ttl converters, finally found them |
| 08:39 | jnettlet | wumpus, plus what geek wouldn't want a sunlight readable arm convertable notebook with touchscreen and hdmi out? |
| 08:39 | wumpus | cbxbiker61: I finally managed to mcgyver something to connect to the board, but can't test it yet, still have to wait for a sdcard to arrive |
| 08:40 | cbxbiker61 | now i'm finally equipped to work with the dev box |
| 08:40 | wumpus | jnettlet: true, true, :) |
| 08:40 | jnettlet | cbxbiker61, hurrah |
| 08:41 | cbxbiker61 | wumpus, i bought three of them from amazon, with jumper connects on one end, they're beautiful |
| 08:42 | wumpus | cbxbiker61: jumper connects on the usb<->ttl converter are a great idea, I had to temporary repurpose the connector of my logic analyser for that |
| 08:43 | wumpus | I hope to only need the serial connection temporary anyway until I can do everything over network |
| 08:44 | cbxbiker61 | i got mine mainly for debugging routers |
| 08:44 | wumpus | that's why I got mine too |
| 08:48 | wumpus | jnettlet: marvell, right? I think the chromecast has the same/similar SoC, except that one of the cores is locked down as "secure presentation engine" |
| 08:49 | jnettlet | wumpus, the chromecast is slightly different. It is an Armada 1500 I believe. |
| 08:49 | wumpus | yes, slightly different |
| 08:50 | jnettlet | do you know the specs on the "secure presentation engine"? All the Marvell chips have the security core. |
| 08:51 | wumpus | specs? are you kidding me :) this is marvell we're talking about |
| 08:52 | wumpus | there is some vague presentation about it somewhere, maybe I can find it |
| 08:53 | jnettlet | I found this which is not the mini variant. http://www.marvell.com/digital-entertainment/armada-1500/assets/Marvell-ARMADA-1500-Product-Brief.pdf |
| 08:53 | jnettlet | It has the qdeo video post processing, which I wish our hardware had. |
| 08:54 | jnettlet | the MMP3 has the dual-core pj4b smp, and then a third low power core which is also a Cortex-A9 just clocked down. They call it the "low power core" |
| 08:55 | jnettlet | unfortunately it has been quite buggy. Just starting to get it up and fully functional. At some point I also shelved it as I wanted to go straight to Linaro's big.LITTLE work. |
| 08:58 | wumpus | this is the one: http://www.marvell.com/digital-entertainment/armada-1500/assets/Marvell_%20Android_for_CE_devices-02_whitepaper_r3.pdf |
| 11:22 | shesselba | wumpus: armada 1500 is quite similar to mmp3, dual Cortex-A9 with "System Manager" CPU which I suppose is Mohawk (PJ1, XScale) |
| 11:23 | shesselba | but the SoC is locked down, you probably need something signed to get it started.. I know the bootrom code for BG2 (Armada 1500), BG2CD (Armada 1500-mini) might have changed |
| 11:24 | shesselba | currently I am running a Sony NSZ-GS7 with gtvh's u-boot |
| 11:24 | shesselba | SoC's IP is either Synopsys DesignWare or PXA/MMP stuff |
| 11:53 | jnettlet | shesselba, the mmp3's third core is also a Cortex-A9 |
| 11:54 | shesselba | jnettlet: yeah, possible that it is also for BG2 |
| 11:55 | jnettlet | so it isn't big.LITTLE in the truest of terms as the LITTLE is just a low power core clocked down. |
| 11:56 | shesselba | I thought the bright idea of big.LITTLE is that is a compatible core clocked down |
| 11:57 | jnettlet | I think LITTLE is supposed to be a lesser core though. Like an A15 and an A7, rather than just clocking down. |
| 11:59 | jnettlet | Since all the A9 cores can scale down to that same speed, I don't know why they just didn't give us 3 full speed cores and then let software cripple one if we so choose. |
| 12:03 | shesselba | wumpus: make sure to get gpl sources from asus cube, the u-boot has a bunch of defines that might be interesting |
| 12:03 | shesselba | mostly soc's ip registers |
| 12:06 | wumpus | shesselba: thanks, I'll forward it to the guy working on chromecast, I'm sure he'll appreciate it |
| 12:08 | wumpus | there he is :) |
| 12:08 | shesselba | thebb? I am sure he knows about asus' u-boot includes |
| 12:08 | wumpus | oh you meant for vivante in general? |
| 12:08 | shesselba | with firmware defines for bg2 socs |
| 12:09 | tchebb | shesselba: I haven't looked at ASUS's sources in particular. Have they got something the other bootloader sources don't? |
| 12:10 | shesselba | tchebb: u-boot with register layout includes, a whole bunch of for all socs |
| 12:15 | tchebb | Oh, these do look a bit more complete than the ones in the Chromecast source. Thanks! |
| 12:16 | shesselba | that is what I used for mainline support patches |
| 12:19 | jnettlet | rabeeh, is there anywhere on the board where I can wire up a reset switch? |
| 12:21 | tchebb | shesselba: How are those coming along? Is there enough support for me to use them for my Chromecast development? I'd love to be able to use a kernel newer than 3.8. |
| 12:23 | shesselba | tchebb: I kind of wasted my time to understand the bootrom, I now know how boot-up procedure works.. but haven't been able to successfully boot from spi or re-enable jtag |
| 12:23 | shesselba | I guess I can get SMP, SDIO, GBE working |
| 12:23 | shesselba | it's all pxa ip |
| 12:24 | shesselba | s/GBE/ETH/ |
| 12:25 | shesselba | + USB |
| 12:27 | tchebb | Nice. I'm definitely interested in trying those out when they're ready. |
| 13:25 | dv_ | damnit, the yocto imx kernel isnt working |
| 13:25 | dv_ | gah |
| 13:25 | dv_ | kernel panics left and right |
| 13:33 | dv_ | rabeeh: sometimes, after unplugging the serial output, if I re-plug immediately, the board doesnt start |
| 13:33 | dv_ | I have to wait about a minute |
| 14:34 | rabeeh | dv_: ? |
| 14:35 | rabeeh | which usb to uart are you using now? |
| 14:56 | rabeeh | jnettlet: i'v updated the wiki with the 8 pin header (has reset signal) |
| 14:56 | rabeeh | http://imx.solid-run.com/wiki/index.php?title=Carrier-One_Hardware#8_pin_header_layout |
| 14:57 | jnettlet | rabeeh, thanks.\ |
| 14:58 | jnettlet | took a break but back to fighting with the u-boot HEAD imx header generation. |
| 14:58 | jnettlet | I think I have everything else sorted out, just need to get the stupid image to load. |
| 15:00 | rabeeh | ? |
| 15:01 | rabeeh | remember the seek and skip in the dd command |
| 15:01 | jnettlet | apparently with the 2013 u-boot you don't need the skip, just the seek. |
| 15:01 | jnettlet | they have changed the way the imx flash headers are generated. |
| 15:11 | rabeeh | jnettlet: ddr timing is tricky |
| 15:12 | dv_ | rabeeh: cp2102 |
| 15:12 | rabeeh | dv_: i remember something about having the uart signals connected when i.MX6 is powered off |
| 15:12 | dv_ | rabeeh: btw I recommend using this figure for UART pins: http://elinux.org/images/2/2a/GPIOs.png |
| 15:12 | jnettlet | rabeeh, I will double check my ddr-setup.cfg to make sure I didn't miss anything. |
| 15:12 | dv_ | its much more clear |
| 15:13 | rabeeh | jnettlet: send me a url please |
| 15:13 | dv_ | jnettlet: how far along is your patched uboot? |
| 15:13 | rabeeh | trust me; it's very tricky |
| 15:13 | jnettlet | dv_, working on getting it to boot. |
| 15:14 | dv_ | rabeeh: how extensively did you have to patch buildroot? I need an environment where I can run & test my gstreamer VPU plugins in |
| 15:14 | dv_ | I am willing to wait until otavio & co. add support for the c1 to their layer, but I need something else in the meantime |
| 15:16 | rabeeh | dv_: not that much |
| 15:16 | rabeeh | i can send you mine |
| 15:17 | dv_ | yes please |
| 15:17 | dv_ | I dont have that much time, and need to focus my efforts on the plugins |
| 15:17 | dv_ | (for now) |
| 15:18 | rabeeh | dv_: sent |
| 15:18 | rabeeh | it's based on nitrogenx buildroot |
| 15:18 | rabeeh | ok |
| 15:19 | rabeeh | mine specifically is buildroot 2013.05 |
| 15:21 | dv_ | alright |
| 16:18 | dv_ | rabeeh: thanks, got the config |
| 16:18 | dv_ | but what about kernel patches and your uboot fork? |
| 16:18 | dv_ | how are these integrated into buildroot? |
| 16:19 | dv_ | or did it work just fine with the default nitrogenx stuff? |
| 17:01 | rabeeh | dv_; those patches are without u-boot stuff |
| 17:50 | nikitis | Hello. |
| 17:51 | nikitis | Anyone know where i can contact someone regarding my order? |
| 17:55 | nikitis | Anyone there? |
| 18:19 | dv_ | nikitis: doesnt the page have a contact section? |
| 18:19 | nikitis | Yes, but i've used it and no response for days |
| 18:20 | dv_ | you could also try the forums |
| 18:20 | nikitis | I'm just wondering why I placed an order but wasn't charged |
| 18:22 | nikitis | Do they not charge until it's shipped? |
| 18:27 | rabeeh | nikitis: please contact [email protected] |
| 18:29 | dexter93 | Hello rabeeh. Are there any news rearding the cubox overlay for Gentoo? (1st gen) |
| 18:30 | nikitis | rabeeh, i did already |
| 18:35 | rabeeh | dexter93: i'm not familiar with that issue |
| 18:41 | dexter93 | http://www.solid-run.com/mw/index.php/Gentoo . The DoveFB Xorg driver overlay |
| 18:41 | dexter93 | TODO: ebuild will be provided in an overlay later |
| 18:47 | dexter93 | all that TODO are like they were some months ago. No maintainers for the device I guess? |
| 19:08 | rabeeh | dexter93: the Gentoo stuff is not maintained. |
| 19:08 | rabeeh | the tarball of the drivers is there; it needs to be integrated into gentoo ebuild |
| 19:08 | rabeeh | the driver support pre and pos xorg 13 (there were some changes in the API that jnettlet kindly provided) |
| 19:09 | dv_ | rabeeh: did you build uboot and the kernel with buildroot? |
| 19:09 | rabeeh | dv_: nop. |
| 19:09 | rabeeh | separately |
| 19:09 | rabeeh | i mean the u-boot is completely out of buildroot; but the kernel is |
| 19:09 | rabeeh | the kernel is part of the buildroot and hence the initramfs |
| 19:10 | dv_ | so, just cloned linux-imx , then set CROSS_COMPILE= and called make ? |
| 19:10 | dv_ | (and applied the patches) |
| 19:11 | rabeeh | dv_: https://github.com/SolidRun/linux-imx6 |
| 19:11 | rabeeh | cloned from boundary devices and applied patches on top |
| 19:12 | rabeeh | it's kernel 3.0.35 + bsp 4.1.0 + c1 patches |
| 19:12 | dv_ | yeah |
| 19:12 | rabeeh | the defconfigu should imx6_defconfig |
| 19:12 | rabeeh | so in 'buildroot' you tell it to use standard imx6_defconfig |
| 19:12 | dv_ | ah, from boundarydevices |
| 19:12 | dv_ | I cloned from freescale directly |
| 19:12 | dv_ | perhaps thats why I saw problems |
| 19:12 | rabeeh | where from freescale? |
| 19:12 | rabeeh | their git? or some github? |
| 19:13 | rabeeh | because i couldn't find any github from freescale that has lk 3.0.35 + bsp 4.1.0 !!! |
| 19:13 | dv_ | git://git.freescale.com/imx/linux-2.6-imx.git |
| 19:44 | jnettlet | I am back. What did I miss? |
| 19:45 | dv_ | some pain regarding faulty kernels, not much more |
| 19:45 | rabeeh | tomlohave is working on getting xbmc up and running on c1 |
| 19:45 | nikitis | And a question about orders |
| 19:46 | jnettlet | excellent. |
| 19:47 | dv_ | btw. I noticed some 3.10 linux-imx branches |
| 19:48 | dv_ | it seems that freescale is working on updating their patches to 3.10 as well |
| 19:48 | jnettlet | dv_, _rmk_ has the c1 booting 3.12 with device-tree |
| 19:48 | dv_ | oh wow |
| 19:48 | dv_ | with VPU and galcore too? |
| 19:48 | jnettlet | He posted his patch before he went on vacation. |
| 19:49 | jnettlet | woah there...not that far into it |
| 19:49 | dv_ | :) |
| 19:49 | dv_ | is this part of the joint effort? |
| 19:50 | dv_ | I think you mentioned it |
| 19:52 | cbxbiker61 | amd just published documentation for their gpus that covers pass-through, it's really cool how amd has opened up |
| 19:56 | nikitis | They only did it because they don't have a choice |
| 19:57 | cbxbiker61 | hehe, well we need to make the rest of the hardware vendors "feel" they don't have a choice |
| 19:58 | nikitis | With announcment of SteamOS, All serious computing is going over to Linux. And Linux demands open source |
| 19:59 | nikitis | if AMD wants to sell anything past gaming consoles they have to do it |
| 20:15 | rabeeh | dv_: they should be working on 3.10lts |
| 20:16 | rabeeh | dv_: probably with ipu only; maybe vpu |
| 20:16 | Juggie | rabeeh, will the shipping unit have a mini pci-e? |
| 20:16 | rabeeh | gpu probably not (rmk stuff) |
| 20:16 | rabeeh | Juggie: ? |
| 20:16 | rabeeh | CuBox-i doesn't have mini pcie |
| 20:16 | rabeeh | why? |
| 20:17 | rabeeh | oh; about the second gig? |
| 20:25 | jnettlet | rabeeh, I am porting rmk's patches into the IMX tree. I spent a good chunk of the weekend cleaning up the 4.x vivante codebase. I started bringing in my device-tree and common clock work for scaling. |
| 20:26 | rabeeh | jnettlet: which tree is this? |
| 20:27 | jnettlet | rabeeh, 3.11 and 3.10 lts |
| 20:28 | jnettlet | still reviewing the imx6 KMS driver that was submitted but never merged. |
| 20:29 | jnettlet | although that will mostly just be for Linux as Android doesn't have support for it yet. |
| 20:35 | jnettle | 20:35 * jnettlet wonders if Android can run on top of the fbdev helper functions |
| 20:44 | wumpus | imx6 kms driver? that sounds interesting |
| 22:24 | dv_ | damn |
| 22:25 | dv_ | even when I use rabeeh's forked kernel, I get "Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 35797474" |
| 22:25 | dv_ | (briefly tried my modified yocto here again) |
| 22:25 | dv_ | well, its buildroot or openbricks for now I guess |
| 22:32 | rabeeh | dv_: do you suspect there is hardware issue? |
| 22:32 | dv_ | hah. no. found a big clue. |
| 22:32 | rabeeh | i mean if you run the kernel and u-boot i'v sent you; do you see any issues? |
| 22:32 | dv_ | yocto dora is using gcc 4.8 |
| 22:32 | dv_ | and apparently there are problems with kernels built with that version |
| 22:32 | dv_ | rabeeh: no, your stuff works fine |
| 22:32 | rabeeh | :) |
| 22:33 | rabeeh | thank you; jnettlet already said that; high quality engineering sample :) |
| 22:33 | dv_ | :) |
| 22:33 | dv_ | I showed it to several people in the office |
| 22:33 | rabeeh | and ...? |
| 22:33 | dv_ | first they were wondering, "oh you got a rpi?" |
| 22:33 | dv_ | then I explained things |
| 22:34 | dv_ | the hw guy wanted to rip out the micro SOM to get a closer look |
| 22:34 | dv_ | I said a big no :) |
| 22:34 | rabeeh | hehe |
| 22:34 | rabeeh | please let him see it |
| 22:34 | dv_ | he was wondering about EMC |
| 22:34 | rabeeh | oh |
| 22:34 | dv_ | oh, the microSOM can be removed ? |
| 22:34 | rabeeh | yes |
| 22:34 | rabeeh | gently ofcourse |
| 22:34 | dv_ | ah. well then he will be happy |
| 22:35 | rabeeh | http://cubox-i.com/the-mainline-kernel-is-on/ |
| 22:35 | rabeeh | rmk gets the credit to get mainline on |
| 22:36 | dv_ | yay |
| 22:38 | Juggie | rabeeh, are you still shipping out/selling more dev boards? |
| 22:38 | Juggie | or are they all gone? |
| 22:39 | rabeeh | we are shipping every week few tens of boards |
| 22:39 | Juggie | how does one qualify as a developer? |
| 22:41 | dv_ | I dont think there are clear qualifications for this |
| 22:41 | rabeeh | Juggie: sends out what porting intention he is willing to do on C1 |
| 22:41 | rabeeh | and internally we have 12 people setting around and discussing weather it's worthy or not :) |
| 22:41 | rabeeh | hehe.. just joking |
| 22:41 | dv_ | "is this one worthy of our blessing? the council shall discuss" |
| 22:42 | rabeeh | there is no qualification; we simply want to avoid putting the hardware on people that don't know how to handle embedded systems in early stages |
| 22:43 | Goophy | Nice to finally se some working code for the i! |
| 22:43 | Goophy | I've got big hopes for this to be the first ARM HTPC that actually works for everything., |
| 22:43 | dv_ | yeah, I think so too |
| 22:43 | dv_ | the ingredients are there |
| 22:44 | dv_ | esp. esata and gb lan are important |
| 22:44 | Goophy | And decent gpu drivers. |
| 22:44 | Goophy | That's been a huge issue for others. |
| 22:44 | dv_ | yeah. and eventually open source ones |
| 22:45 | Goophy | I used a imx6 devboard for a while a year or two ago. The drivers were really shitty then, but it seems like they have improved heaps. |
| 22:46 | dv_ | also, the overall situation with regards to (future) support is quite nice (buildroot, openbricks, archlinuxarm, OE through meta-fsl-arm) |
| 22:46 | dv_ | oh yes, the GPU drivers improved a lot |
| 22:46 | dv_ | there is still enough left to do though, just look at the race conditions _rmk_ found (and fixed) |
| 22:47 | Goophy | Hehe, always something. But if there is a usable base, there is hope. |
| 22:47 | nikitis | When is this looking to go out? |
| 22:47 | Goophy | Can't wait for November. :) |
| 22:48 | nikitis | November still looking good? |
| 22:48 | dv_ | seems so to me |
| 22:48 | nikitis | What order number are you guys? |
| 22:49 | dv_ | I didnt order yet. the dev board is good enough for now |
| 22:49 | dv_ | (I will order one though) |
| 22:49 | nikitis | I ordered, but it didn't take my cash |
| 22:49 | nikitis | So i guess it will draw from it later |
| 22:49 | dv_ | I dimly remember this happening to me once |
| 22:49 | dv_ | did you pay with credit card? |
| 22:49 | nikitis | paypall express |
| 22:50 | dv_ | hmm never used that one |
| 22:50 | dv_ | I remember a delay with mastercard in a transaction |
| 22:50 | nikitis | i can't get any answers from [email protected] |
| 22:51 | dv_ | when did you sent the message? |
| 22:51 | nikitis | i ordered mine on September 10th |
| 22:51 | nikitis | i sent awhile back and today again |
| 22:51 | dv_ | they are probably overloaded |
| 22:51 | dv_ | patience, I guess |
| 22:52 | nikitis | If I were running it I'd check 10 times daily. |
| 22:52 | nikitis | that's money involved |
| 22:52 | dv_ | heh. true |
| 22:52 | nikitis | i want that cubox but i don't think they want my money so much :( |
| 22:53 | nikitis | i was hoping whoever answers that email address was on here |
| 22:54 | nikitis | I'd hate to not get one because of this if there is a shortage |
| 22:54 | dv_ | did you post this in the forum? |
| 22:54 | nikitis | no |
| 22:54 | dv_ | try that |
| 22:54 | nikitis | doesn't seem to be a proper forum |
| 22:54 | nikitis | for this issue |
| 22:55 | dv_ | http://imx.solid-run.com/forums/index.php ? |
| 22:55 | dv_ | just post in General discussion |
| 22:55 | dv_ | it makes the issue more visible, I think |
| 22:55 | dv_ | also, perhaps other customers have had the same problems? |
| 22:56 | dv_ | in addition, it could be a problem with paypal |
| 22:57 | nikitis | maybe |
| 22:57 | nikitis | but would be nice to be able to talk to someone |
| 22:57 | dv_ | yes! with gcc 4.7, the kernel boots. I didnt add a devtmpfs though. but its progress. |
| 22:57 | dv_ | oh I know what you mean |
| 22:57 | nikitis | Get latest kernel working on it? |
| 22:58 | dv_ | but as said, just be patient |
| 22:58 | dv_ | cant really do anything else anyway |
| 22:58 | dv_ | no, the imx kernel |
| 22:58 | dv_ | but built with yocto |
| 23:00 | _rmk | 23:00 * _rmk_ must teach Rabeeh to spell my name with two l's too :) |
| 23:00 | _rmk_ | hi from Norfolk btw. |
| 23:00 | rabeeh | _rmk_ go for the spa |
| 23:01 | dv_ | rabeeh go to bed |
| 23:01 | dv_ | :) |
| 23:01 | _rmk_ | btw, I brought the c1 with me |
| 23:01 | rabeeh | _rmk_: for a massage? |
| 23:01 | rabeeh | enjoy your holiday; i'll ask Waseem to fix the 'll'. |
| 23:02 | rabeeh | i'm heading to bed now; ttyl |
| 23:02 | _rmk_ | their internet is not the best (it keeps getting really laggy) |
| 23:03 | nikitis | dv_, i just saw on the screenshot I took that paypal express was not available at this time. |
| 23:03 | rabeeh | nikitis: please send my pm with your email and order ID |
| 23:03 | nikitis | ok |
| 23:03 | dv_ | _rmk_: if you are in the UK, and got problems with the internet connection, you must read this: http://www.rense.com/general43/cabel.htm |
| 23:03 | rabeeh | or to my email - [email protected] |
| 23:03 | dv_ | its a timeless classic |
| 23:04 | _rmk_ | dv: there's two problems here - one is that the closest AP doesn't always talk to the main AP, and secondly the hotel's connection isn't that good |
| 23:05 | _rmk_ | dv: yes, you know NTL's alternative name? Not Til Later |
| 23:05 | dv_ | :) |
| 23:05 | _rmk_ | they apply that to everything they did, whether it be support or the delivery of IP packets :) |
| 23:06 | dv_ | at least they are consistent :) |
| 23:10 | _rmk_ | that they are |
| 23:10 | _rmk_ | or were |
| 23:12 | nikitis | Did the guy think to march down to their offices? |
| 23:12 | nikitis | That's what I had to do to get service here in USA |
| 23:12 | nikitis | Now it's great |
| 23:13 | nikitis | i know i'm kind of missing the point but that's what I would have done |
| 23:13 | _rmk_ | nikitis: its entirely possible that their offices were a distance away from the guy |
| 23:14 | nikitis | Can't be that far. There's like limit to how long those lines can go. |
| 23:14 | _rmk_ | NTL is cable, so fibre in the street |
| 23:14 | nikitis | I would love fiber.... |
| 23:15 | _rmk_ | and coax from the a very local box |
| 23:15 | _rmk_ | from back in the 1990s era |
| 23:15 | _rmk_ | well... |
| 23:15 | nikitis | coax has to be within a mile to the nearest ctms |
| 23:15 | nikitis | or it degrades |
| 23:16 | nikitis | especially in the 90's |
| 23:16 | nikitis | I used to cable modem hack back in the day before it was deemed illegal |
| 23:16 | dv_ | coax for the last mile, fiber for the rest? |
| 23:16 | nikitis | maybe |
| 23:16 | nikitis | most isp's aren't setup for fiber like that |
| 23:17 | nikitis | i'm probably one of the few people who even know how to cable modem hack nowadays |
| 23:18 | _rmk_ | well, today at home, I get 4-6mbps down via copper from the local office (which is about 2 miles in terms of cable distance away) |
| 23:18 | _rmk_ | if I go for their fibre, I can get that up to around 13mbps as the cabinet is then about 1 mile away |
| 23:18 | nikitis | can always just grab a config file from someone on a CTMS that you are not on. As the hmac's are only verrified at that level. If you are on a different ctms but same ISP, you can use their config. |
| 23:19 | nikitis | that's half the battle |
| 23:19 | nikitis | The other half is getting it onto your cable modem |
| 23:19 | nikitis | some are still easily accessed via snmp protocol |
| 23:19 | nikitis | others have to use a jtag and flash the nand |
| 23:20 | nikitis | But i won't go further into detail |
| 23:20 | nikitis | I don't do it anylonger anyway |
| 23:20 | nikitis | since they passed laws |
| 23:21 | nikitis | I'll stay with my 10Mbps down 1.5Mbps up |
| 23:24 | jnettle | 23:24 * jnettlet feels spoiled with 45Mbps down and 4.5Mbps up |
| 23:25 | _rmk_ | I think we'll stay with ours, because the fibre is more expensive... and just to get ADSL2+ speeds, its not worth it |
| 23:25 | _rmk_ | jnettlet: if I lived directly next to one of these cabinets, that would be possible |
| 23:26 | _rmk_ | or even 300mbps if you're prepared to pay |
| 23:26 | jnettlet | They are rolling out fiber in Aarhus but not down near me. I am on DSL and just got speed bumped. |
| 23:27 | jnettlet | I am actually on a 50/5 plan but you never get those speeds. Works out well because I can traffic shape the house wifi to 20Mbps and use the rest for my work network. |
| 23:28 | jnettlet | however I rarely need all the bandwidth. |
| 23:29 | jnettle | 23:29 * jnettlet is going to be now. have an early morning tomorrow. |
| 23:29 | jnettlet | ttyl. |
| 23:29 | _rmk_ | cu |