IRC log of #cubox of Tue 29 Oct 2013. All times are in CET < Back to index

23:59 unununium_ Ah, thank you very much!
00:01 lioka 'author' there shold be 'committer' at most :]
00:05 unununium_ Now I begin feeling stupid... but I will find the place where the patch will help me...
00:09 unununium_ Oh. I begin to learn.
00:10 unununium_ (Maybe I just begin to think... ;) )
00:14 unununium_ Hmm. Well. I *think* I applied the patch.
00:15 unununium_ ("error: 'FOURCC_RGBA32' undeclared (first use in this function)") But... google might help me. :)
00:16 lioka try again with -DMRVL_XV_SUPPORT_RGB_FORMAT
00:18 lioka actually, there is a lot of defines, look at debian/rules
00:20 unununium_ Ah, yes, that seems to have solved the problem, but not all. I think having a look there might be helpful.
00:21 unununium_ Holy moly... compiling seems to be successful...
00:22 cbxbiker61 Holy moly? you must be in US
00:22 unununium_ No, just watched Simpsons to often...
00:23 _rmk_ or Die Hard
00:23 unununium_ Haven't seen that, sorry. ;)
00:26 unununium_ Well. It is compiled. It is installed. And it doesn't tell me, that it was compiled for the wrong version. So far it is a success! :)
00:26 unununium_ But... in fact... "Segmentation fault at address 0x18" when starting Xorg is not exactly what I expected. ;)
00:45 unununium_ Well... I think I'll just give up for today.
00:46 unununium_ But thank you very much for your help, lioka!
00:47 unununium_ Welcome back, cbxbiker61.
00:50 cbxbiker61 my synaptics touchpad goes wonky periodically
00:51 cbxbiker61 i don't know what triggers it
00:55 unununium_ Oh... that's not exactly what you want...
00:56 unununium_ I... must... stop... looking... for... my... problem! Have... to... get... up... early!
02:04 unununium_ Finally I'll go to bed right now. :) cbxbiker61, lioka: Thank you very, very much for your help! :) And have a good night!
02:04 unununium_ (Oh, to answer your question: No, I was not successful yet.)
08:36 MikeSeth rabeeh: oh, I wanna learn the arm architecture, perhaps write a mini-OS
09:07 unununium_ Good morning...
09:07 unununium_ lioka: I got the module working. Having a look at debian/rules was a good idea! *thumbs up!*
09:08 unununium_ (But still it is not accelerated. But that is something I'll take care about later.)
09:18 jnettlet unununium_, saw your messages last night. I am almost done with a new driver. Maybe today or tomorrow. I started with the IMX support and am now bringing in armada.
11:05 rabeeh linxbmc will support cubox-i too
11:06 rabeeh MikeSeth: if you want to learn ARM hardcore; try developing a boot loader :)
11:06 MikeSeth I do :P
11:06 rabeeh like porting this - https://github.com/alexandrebelloni/whoosh
11:07 rabeeh they were able to boot a GL application in 600mSec
11:07 MikeSeth rabeeh: I'm thinking this toy: http://iqmedia.co.il/2011-03-02-08-35-22.html?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=277&category_id=47
11:08 rabeeh i played a bit with MCUs
11:08 rabeeh i enjoy X rather than counting image size in bytes
11:12 MikeSeth well this is a toy, i want to write a forth for it
11:24 jnettlet rabeeh, I was looking at whoosh last week. looks pretty cool
11:24 rabeeh jnettlet: xbmc in 2 seconds :)
11:24 rabeeh thats the target
11:24 jnettlet could be very cool
11:25 rabeeh they have a long presentation about that; mainly they shrunk boot loader + uImage + rootfs for ~5MB
11:25 rabeeh so they don't need to load too much binaries.
11:25 rabeeh probably they used also other library optimizers to shrink it down to really the functions that are using in the rootfs
11:26 rabeeh but 600msec is very impressive
11:27 jnettlet and their bootloader is just doing the bare minimum. Init dram and then bootstrap the kernel from sdhc
11:27 jnettlet don't double probe things
11:30 rabeeh elinux.org/images/d/d1/Alexandre_Belloni_boottime_optimizations.pdf?
11:34 jnettlet yeah the newer hotplug smp and memory functionality will be great for fast booting.
11:34 unununium_ jnettlet: Thanks for your reply! :) That is very good to hear!
11:34 jnettlet unununium_, this is for the original Cubox. Running what distro?
11:35 unununium_ rabeeh: Will Debian work (including 3D-Support) with Cubox-i? (I ordered mine the day before yesterday)
11:35 unununium_ jnettlet: Debian jessie.
11:35 jnettlet okya
11:35 rabeeh unununium_: should
11:35 unununium_ rabeeh: Great! :D Hope it will arrive within this year. :)
11:36 unununium_ (I live in germany...)
11:36 jnettlet wow a lot of germans in the channel recently
11:36 rabeeh the basic stuff is for sure (i.e. use armhf binaries); the 3D stuff is more trickier since it requires a smart developer that knows how to twist X and force it to use xegl
11:36 unununium_ How are taxes handled? Will I be informed?
11:36 rabeeh unununium_: which one did you order?
11:37 jnettlet I guess OctoberFest is over so it is time to sober up and hack on some hardware
11:37 unununium_ rabeeh: The i4-pro
11:38 unununium_ jnettlet: I've never been there... in fact I'm not much in drinking beer...
11:38 rabeeh regular mail or dhl?
11:38 unununium_ Regular, I think.
11:38 unununium_ I did not choose any advanced options.
11:38 rabeeh i can ask the shipping guys; but typically it takes few weeks to arrive to Germany
11:39 rabeeh sometimes they ask for you to pay customs; but if it's under 100eu typically they don't
11:39 unununium_ Yes, that was already mentioned somewhere... it was written that it could take up to eight weeks.
11:39 rabeeh we will probably have lots of inputs end of Nov about shipping and people's experience how it's delivered
11:39 unununium_ At all I was at about 110,- including shipping.
11:39 rabeeh i don't know why Germany takes so long
11:39 unununium_ Maybe I'll one of the people reporting. :)
11:40 rabeeh we always had issues there
11:40 unununium_ I didn't want to blame you for that...
11:40 rabeeh i think dhl took over the German post :)
11:40 unununium_ I think they are somehow one company... but I'm not sure about that...
11:40 rabeeh unununium_: if it will be late then please accept my apologies from now :)
11:40 rabeeh it's something that we can't really control
11:40 unununium_ rabeeh: I do, of course. ;) It's not your fault.
11:41 unununium_ Ah, but I have another problem... wanted to register at the forums, but I don't get any activation mail...
11:41 rabeeh oh; if it's the same company then dhl employees work for the dhl shipments and at the end of the day; if they have some time then they will deliver the regular mail :)
11:41 rabeeh where?
11:41 rabeeh imx.solid-run.com/forums?
11:42 unununium_ Exactly.
11:42 unununium_ No. Not exactly.
11:42 unununium_ Wait. ;)
11:42 rabeeh which nickname did you choose?
11:42 unununium_ Give me one second, I was wrong about that...
11:42 unununium_ http://www.solid-run.com/phpbb/
11:43 rabeeh oh; this is the forums for the older cubox
11:43 rabeeh maybe we have issue there; but for now please try registering at imx.solid-run.com/forums
11:43 unununium_ I know, but I'm playing around with that at the moment.
11:46 unununium_ A friend of mine gave me his CuBox because he bricked it... that way I got in contact with this device. :)
11:51 unununium_ And I think I'll need a mircoSD with more than 4GB. ;)
11:51 unununium_ Maybe I'll install jessie onto the 8GB...
11:55 unununium_ Well... FPS improved from about 17 to 25. But the reason might be E17 -> Fluxbox, as E17 no longer wants to start.
12:03 Bluerise jnettlet: I haven't really been at the Oktoberfest... Been hacking the whole time. ;)
12:04 jnettlet What kind of Germans do we have in this channel?
12:04 jnettlet Next thing you know I will find out they are all vegetarians
12:04 Bluerise One Bavarian, who isn't doing what he's supposed to do. (Drinking beer all the time.)
12:05 Bluerise Heh.
12:06 Bluerise Well, I like Formula 1 and Golf. Usually one should be interested in Football instead. (Soccer, for the Americans.)
12:06 jnettlet I have adopted European Football, I think it is a fair compromise
12:07 _rmk 12:07 * _rmk_ prefers to think of soccer as a game of socks, particularly when you find that you have one less than you're supposed to. :)
12:08 liok 12:08 * lioka knows that game
12:08 jnettle 12:08 * jnettlet thinks his power supply might be dying. My displayport on my nvidia card keeps blinking out on me.
12:14 unununium_ Bluerise: Me isn't interested in soccer neither...
12:17 Bluerise But, all Germans are! (Apart from us apparently.)
12:18 _rmk 12:18 * _rmk_ is also one brit who has no interest in "the beautiful game"
12:18 unununium_ jnettlet: To answer your question: On is coming from the ,,Ruhrgebiet". (Is there a translation for that? Well. It's North Rhine-Westphalia...)
12:19 unununium_ Bluerise: Obviously. ;)
12:19 Bluerise The dictionary translates Ruhrgebiet to Ruhr ;)
12:19 unununium_ Hehe. ;)
12:20 unununium_ Although that's not exactly the same... but... almost...
12:20 Bluerise _rmk_: Any news on the Device Tree thingy?
12:22 _rmk_ and DRM? Grant has said he'll write up what he sees as the outcome of the discussion in the next few days
12:22 Bluerise and GPL ;)
12:22 _rmk_ oh.
12:22 jnettle 12:22 * jnettlet has yet to venture down into Germany. Should do that at some point.
12:22 _rmk_ not heard back from Grant yet - I think he's still conferencing with linaro connect this week.
12:23 Bluerise ok. :)
12:23 Bluerise Will still start with Linux as reference. Just not push it somewhere.
12:23 Bluerise (When I have time...)
12:31 jnettlet rabeeh, do you have a build env for Android on the cubox-i accessible anywhere?
12:31 rabeeh just finished one now
12:32 rabeeh my core i7 fans were on full speed
12:32 rabeeh want it?
12:32 rabeeh or let me test first and then ask you if you want it :)
12:32 jnettlet rabeeh, sounds good.
12:32 rabeeh we are about to launch a boot logo contest for android
12:33 rabeeh boot animation
12:33 jnettlet any chance you could test u-boot for the other Microsom's today?
12:33 jnettlet oh nice. probably won't have time to play with that.
12:33 rabeeh http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2334927
12:33 jnettle 12:33 * jnettlet will probably port LiquidSmooth's rom over as that is what I run on most everything.
12:33 rabeeh jnettlet: i'v tested on the quad; but it doesn't work
12:34 rabeeh not that i like those boot animations; but those are examples
12:34 rabeeh i'v tried creating one using linux pencil with our logo
12:34 rabeeh complete disaster i must say :)
12:35 jnettlet rabeeh, hmmm. will have to double check my work later.
12:36 Bluerise http://i.minus.com/i1YhN9wisnays.gif that one is quite nice
12:36 rabeeh jnettlet: i'm not sure it's your fault
12:36 rabeeh all my quads are abused
12:36 Bluerise The rest is too 3d-y ;)
12:36 jnettlet yeah, but I should double check my work regardless.
12:55 unununium_ Hmm... no it seems to use dovefb, but still no acceleration...
12:57 unununium_ *now
13:03 rabeeh jnettlet: ok; i have an Android image now
13:03 rabeeh want it?
13:03 jnettlet sure.
13:05 jnettlet I can't wait to get my new capacitors in the mail. Nothing like a 42" test lcd for free.
13:07 rabeeh what did you do?
13:07 rabeeh the power supply? is it bricked because of the capacitors?
13:08 jnettlet not me. It is a semi-old 720p lg tv.
13:08 jnettlet somebody had thrown it out for recycling. I walked by and gave it a look. Looked nearly brand new. A little googling showed problems with the capacitors going.
13:09 unununium_ Wow. :)
13:09 jnettlet brought it home plugged it in, got power no video or sound. opened it up and yep two blown capacitors on the board.
13:09 rabeeh jnettlet: hold on with android a bit
13:10 rabeeh this build is not stable (power management issues)
13:10 jnettlet ordered a new capacitor kit for $16USD
13:10 jnettlet rabeeh, okay no rush
13:10 rabeeh which one?
13:10 jnettlet okay to the Android
13:10 rabeeh notice their temperature rating
13:11 jnettlet these are matched to the model of the tv.
14:47 _rmk_ jnettlet: sometimes its just poor design: caps also have a habbit of failing if they're being overstressed (eg, too much ripple current)
14:49 jnettlet very true.
14:49 jnettle 14:49 * jnettlet will take a "garbage" tv and replace some caps any day.
14:50 jnettlet This one even has a built in PVR system with a 160GB sata drive.
14:50 unununium_ Not bad!
14:51 jnettlet yeah should be good fun to play with. If the recording part is useless I will rip it out and mount my Carrier one board in it's place :-)
14:52 Bluerise hmm
14:52 _rmk_ I have someone's book reading system (he's got severe sight issues) which is basically a camera and a modified TV. It lost colour a couple of weeks ago due to a poor solder joint... but last week the tv part stopped working... turns out the frame coil drive has self-destructed. (40V across a 47ohm resistor due to two transistors going short isn't a good sign.)
14:52 Bluerise Carrier-One TV?
14:53 _rmk_ that resistor became... almost charcoal.
14:53 jnettlet ouch
14:53 jnettlet Here are my bad capacitors. https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-GDGq7wwpEFE/Um5vFLOmqMI/AAAAAAAAFjs/glPr6SzyrlA/w1144-h858-no/IMG_20131028_150447.jpg
14:57 jnettlet oh sure. I could just use the sata power connector to power the carrier-1 whenever I turn the TV on. That and the whoosh boot loader and that would be a nice little setup.
14:57 jnettlet I have a few extra usb wifi dongles around.
14:58 _rmk_ jnettlet: could be either heat or too much ripple
15:00 jnettlet _rmk_, probably ripple as this model has reports of signal degradation on the second digital tuner when using the first for watching television.
15:01 jnettlet can't supply enough juice for all the components. Probably didn't take into account the spinning 3.5" sata drive :-)
15:02 _rmk_ hope your replacements have a higher ripple current rating then :)
15:04 unununium_ They look pretty dead.
15:04 jnettlet They are Samwha capacitors which don't have the best reputation from reading around the forums. The place I ordered the new ones from say they use Panasonic, Nichicon, or Rubycon
15:07 jnettle 15:07 * jnettlet will have to decide if I want to just bite the bullet and replace all the caps, or just the failed ones
15:08 unununium_ I'd suggest to replace them all
15:10 jnettlet Of course the German would recommend that :-)
15:10 jnettle 15:10 * jnettlet needs some more lazy Americans in this channel :-)
15:11 unununium_ ;)
15:11 Bluerise Nonono
15:11 Bluerise I'd just replace the two.
15:11 unununium_ Well, it is not too much of work, is it?
15:11 unununium_ Wait. Are you really a german?
15:11 Bluerise Then test if it works as expected, and then replace the rest. ;)
15:12 unununium_ Okay, that's the best method.
15:17 unununium_ You are the real german here! :-D
15:18 _rmk_ jnettlet: allegedly, that 1000uF cap should stand 2.7A rms
15:20 _rmk_ looks like samwha aren't producing that series anymore (wonder why!)
15:20 _rmk_ so could only find the data on them here: http://www.evita.lt/getPdf.php?id=5845
15:22 jnettlet then I should probably replace them all.
15:22 jnettlet I think I will just replace the blown ones and see if the thing works, and what the quality is like. If my wife wants this one downstairs then I will replace all of them.
15:30 unununium_ Grr. It still does not work. But it won't give me any errors.
15:30 unununium_ I want errors!
15:31 lioka jnettlet: probably those things on metal plate are shorted too
15:33 _rmk_ lioka: "those things on a metal plate" I assume you're not an electronic engineer using terminology like that :)
15:33 lioka _rmk_: just not native speaker :]
15:33 _rmk_ they're plastic TO220 packaged diodes - isolated from their heatsink.
15:33 lioka yep
15:34 _rmk_ if they're short it's likely the primary side has also gone bang
15:35 _rmk_ looking through what's available from farnell, I see hardly any which meet the Samwha WB spec for ESR and ripple current... that tells you something :)
15:35 Bluerise Being not an electronic engineer I gotta ask: why do you suspect it?
15:36 Bluerise (That they are shorted, too)
15:37 _rmk_ bluerise: if they've gone short, it would put the transformer output winding directly across the capacitor - and try to wiggle the capacitor at the switching frequency, which could result in a ripple current way in excess of their ratings... but I think that's actually very unlikely.
15:37 lioka Bluerise: well, at least it is easy to check
15:38 _rmk_ most SMPS will either blow up (quite literally go bang) and the primary side self destructs, or they will go into hiccup mode where the output current becomes very low.
15:39 _rmk_ and... if they have gone short and caused those caps to do that, every bit of silicon on those supply lines will also have died
15:40 _rmk_ right, time to see if I can get this CRT to scan its field again :)
15:48 unununium_ Hmm, where can I have a look if I don't get the graphics accelerated, but Xorg itself doesn't give me any errors? And dmesg neither...
15:52 lioka unununium_: do you have libGAL.so in readelf -d dovefb_drv.so
15:52 lioka .. output ?
15:54 jnettlet unununium_, post your Xorg.log and we can tell what is up
15:56 jnettlet actually post it and I will take a look when I get back. Need to walk the dogs while the sun is out
15:59 unununium_ jnettlet: That's a good idea! (your dogs) And thanks in advance...
16:00 unununium_ lioka: 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libGAL.so]
16:03 unununium_ Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.ca/2472500
16:08 lioka unununium_: log seems good for me
16:08 lioka unununium_: do you have access to /dev/galcore, /dev/uio, /dev/bmm ?
16:09 unununium_ Hmm, no.
16:09 unununium_ /dev/uio is simply missing.
16:10 lioka or /dev/uio0 -- can't remember
16:10 unununium_ At least root has access.
16:10 lioka unununium_: are you running X session as root ? really ?
16:11 unununium_ No.
16:12 unununium_ To me everything looks fine. But the result doesn't make me happy as everything is very slow within X.
16:13 unununium_ glxinfo says Direct Rendereing would be enabled as well.
16:13 unununium_ But uses Mesa... don't know, if that's the way it is supposed to be.
16:14 unununium_ Files are accessible now and it did not change the result.
16:17 lioka unununium_: well, what supposed to be accelerated: GLES/EGL based apps and video decoding via vmeta
16:18 lioka as for regular 2d stuff -- it's quite slow, yes
16:18 unununium_ Is it normal that even using firefox hangs?
16:18 unununium_ Oh. Okay.
16:18 unununium_ I mean... even moving Windows is not very... fast.
16:18 unununium_ I will try a video, if I find one. :)
16:20 lioka for video you probably should have gstreamer-based player and two gst-plugins with vmeta support
16:20 lioka or patched xbmc
16:20 unununium_ What applications are supposed to be "fast"?
16:21 lioka old kaffeine (from kde3 or trinity) was good enough
16:22 lioka by 'good' i mean easy enough to hook into vmeta stuff
16:23 lioka but still 1080p was too laggy
16:23 unununium_ Hmm, okay.
16:24 unununium_ I hope CuBox-I will be faster. :)
16:24 lioka lets hope, yes
16:25 unununium_ We will see. ;)
16:25 dv_ lioka: one big problem is the video output
16:26 dv_ even if you decode with vmeta, if you do not have a way to output the frames without involving a frame copy done by the CPU, you cannot output 1080p smoothly
16:27 unununium_ That sounds understandable to me...
16:27 lioka dv_: that's why they invented bmmxv
16:27 dv_ marvell added a hack to the dovefb driver to be able to pass a DMA buffer's physical address through Xv
16:28 dv_ which is included in the bmmxv plugin, yes (bmmxv is just a hacked xvimagesink)
16:32 unununium_ Well. It seems to be able to play the Simpsons. ;)
16:32 lioka yay!
16:33 liok 16:33 * lioka afk for a while
16:33 unununium_ lioka: And again I thank you very much for your help!
17:23 jnettlet unununium_, dovefb(0): EXA is disabled that is why 2d rendering is slow.
17:29 jnettlet Has anyone attempted a Raspberry Pi camera module hookup to the C1 yet?
18:04 unununium_ jnettlet: Thanks for your reply! Do you have an idea how to solve this problem?
18:05 unununium_ And finally I have got my snow tyres mounted. :)
18:23 jnettlet unununium_, great. I have to put my winter tires on soon
18:24 jnettlet unununium_, are you using the xorg-dovefb that comes with the debian distro?
18:24 unununium_ I'm using testing and have http://download.solid-run.com/pub/solidrun/cubox/repo/debian in my sources list. But my dovefb comes from the packages file listed in the wiki
18:25 jnettlet actually no. give me until tomorrow. I am finishing up the newest rev of the driver tonight with all the new fixen's I will use you as a guinea pig tomorrow or Thursday
18:26 unununium_ That'd be great! Although I won't be here tomorrow because of work... but on Thursday you can do what ever you want with me. :)
18:27 jnettlet sounds like a plan. A quick test would be to add these lines to the driver section of your xorg.conf.
18:27 jnettlet Option "UseGPU" "true"
18:27 jnettlet Option "XvAccel" "true"
18:27 jnettlet Option "ExaAccel" "true"
18:27 unununium_ Oh.
18:28 unununium_ Wait. I have another idea.
18:28 unununium_ Option "ExaAccel" "false" <- I have the idea, that this might be bad. But not sure...
18:28 jnettlet Yep that will disable Exa acceleration
18:29 jnettlet be prepared that if other things are misconfigured that could possibly crash your X server
18:29 jnettlet just warning you
18:29 unununium_ Well, a crashed X-Server would not be a problem... I can undo the changes.
18:30 unununium_ Ah. Activating Exa results in "Segmentation fault at address 0x0".
18:31 jnettle 18:31 * jnettlet warned you
18:31 jnettlet Xorg log please
18:31 unununium_ Yes, you did. :)
18:31 unununium_ One second.
18:33 unununium_ http://pastebin.ca/2472529
18:34 jnettlet Can you post your xorg.conf. I notice this line. Allocate all pixmaps from system memory, just for debug use
18:34 unununium_ Sure I can, but this time I have to warn you: I just copied it from somewhere and made minimal changes.
18:36 unununium_ http://pastebin.ca/2472533
18:37 jnettlet turn off shadowfb That causes a segfault with EXA enabled
18:37 jnettlet and turn swsolid to true. The way the driver is now it is faster to do solid fills with the cpu
18:37 unununium_ Yes. You are right. Now the Segmentation fault address moved to 0x24. Xorg.log coming...
18:38 unununium_ And Segfault moved to 0x30 after enabling swsolid.
18:40 unununium_ http://pastebin.ca/2472534
18:41 jnettlet hmmm something else isn't right Warning: Please check LCD offscreen memory space
18:41 unununium_ Yes, locked at that line as well...
18:41 unununium_ *looked
18:42 jnettlet does dmesg give you any interesting output. Like galcore failing to allocate memory?
18:43 unununium_ Used video mem: 0 KB contiguous: 0 KB virtual: 0 KB
18:43 jnettlet yep there is your problem right there.
18:43 jnettlet Lets pick this up on Thursday and I will have all sorts of fun goodies for you to play with
18:43 unununium_ Does not look very normal to me.
18:43 unununium_ Woohooo! :)
18:44 unununium_ Thank you. :)
19:07 dv_ jnettlet: btw I also had problems with EXA and the dovefb drive
19:07 dv_ *driver
19:08 jnettlet dv_, I know you aren't forgotten. I am juggling a lot right now. But have merged almost all of the Freescale/Marvell vivante 4.6.9 into a semi-coherent kernel driver
19:08 dv_ :)
19:08 dv_ I meant that I can relate to what unununium_ is seeing
19:08 dv_ also, excellent news!
19:09 jnettlet I am finishing userspace now. I have shifted gears a couple of times because I realizd Android needs a proper FB driver and can't use KMS
19:09 jnettlet I am trying to cover all bases.
19:13 jnettlet dv_, glad to see you are still lurking around. You seemed a little fed up with the current Freescale AV situation.
19:13 dv_ fed up, no.
19:13 dv_ I am just very busy at work.
19:13 dv_ in fact, I am making progress with the gstreamer drivers
19:14 dv_ err, plugins
19:14 jnettlet oh great. I thought you had decided to hold off on them because Pengutronix were being aloof about what they were doing and when they would release it.
19:14 jnettlet with the mem2mem v4l integration that is
19:15 dv_ well, they dont seem to say or release anything
19:15 dv_ and some people are already using my plugins
19:16 dv_ so I wont wait
19:16 dv_ (this is the perfect moment to remark that I find the pengutronix style of communication to be annoying)
19:16 jnettlet great.
19:16 dv_ why not develop in the open?
19:18 jnettlet based on nothing but what is out in the community as far as code, I don't know how much they are actually developing at this point.
19:18 jnettlet the definitely were very active for 6-8 months in 2012 but I haven't seen much of anything this year.
19:19 jnettlet unless they have developed it and are keeping it "in house" till someone approaches them to finish it.
19:20 jnettlet which is why I think FOSS should have some sort of kickstarter/indiegogo type site where developers can put up their projects to "release them to the community"
19:20 dv_ which also sounds weird. they did all that work, invested time and money, and then hold back?
19:21 jnettlet devs make some bank and the community gets the code. The more interesting the code/project the more money the devs can possibly collect.
19:21 jnettlet maybe that is our calling.
19:22 dv_ I mean, this is not closed source
19:22 dv_ especially with regards to the kernel, the GPL is in effect
19:22 jnettlet yes, but the GPL doesn't take effect until you sell or distribute the altered code.
19:22 dv_ so either they get paid once to get access to the patches (which can then be copied freely afterwards because of the GPL), or they have a strange business strategy
19:23 jnettlet and then they still don't have to release the source until someone that has purchased the product requests that they release it
19:24 dv_ but on top of that, I thought freescale hired these guys to mainline the imx bits in the kernel
19:25 jnettlet yeah you might have missed that. _rmk_ talked to these guys during the conference and they say that isn't the case. They only mainline if a customer requests it.
19:26 jnettlet That is something that we all really need to sort out.
19:26 dv_ but they are hired by freescale
19:26 dv_ ?
19:27 jnettlet can't answer that. rabeeh thought so. _rmk_ was pengutronix working for freescale? Or didn't you talk about that?
19:27 jnettle 19:27 * jnettlet will be back in 5. I need to tend to my soup
19:28 dv_ anyway, we are on our own
19:28 dv_ so, business as usual
19:39 jnettlet well at least we have a thriving community here.
19:46 _rmk_ didn't talk about who their customers were
20:10 _rmk 20:10 * _rmk_ tweaks his xorg armada drm driver a little
20:22 _rmk_ ... and time to power up the carrier-1 and pull some of these changes across there
22:07 unununium_ I think today I'll go to bed early... wish you a good night and thanks for the great help! :) cu on Thursday!
22:07 unununium_ Well.
22:07 unununium_ ls
22:08 unununium_ A good night to everybody who is able to read it. ;)