| 08:29 | Exaga | morning all :> |
| 08:30 | Exaga | what's the difference between the cubox-i2eXw and cubox-i2eX ? |
| 08:32 | Artox | afternoon Exaga |
| 08:33 | Artox | I'd guess its about wifi (by the names); but I am purely *guessing* |
| 08:34 | Exaga | i'm too lazy to google and afternoon to you too :D |
| 08:35 | Exaga | yes wireless is possibly enabled would be my guess too |
| 08:35 | Exaga | Artox: http://humbo.fatdog.eu is up and running now |
| 08:36 | Artox | I noticed the forum post, congratulations on that |
| 08:37 | Artox | at least the website seems well-done |
| 08:37 | Exaga | thank you very much :> |
| 08:37 | Artox | (I didnt try slackware yet, and there is a chance I won't as I am too occupied with my favorites) |
| 08:37 | Exag | 08:37 * Exaga sends over a crate of wine to Artox :D |
| 08:38 | Exaga | which distro do you favour Artox ? |
| 08:38 | Artox | opensuse |
| 08:38 | Exag | 08:38 * Exaga chuckles |
| 08:38 | Artox | have you done anything about using gpu/vpu blobs? |
| 08:39 | Exaga | in what sense? |
| 08:39 | Exaga | please enlighten me |
| 08:39 | Artox | opengl-es |
| 08:39 | Exaga | no |
| 08:40 | Artox | video decoding |
| 08:40 | Artox | okay |
| 08:40 | Exaga | do i need to do something about it? |
| 08:41 | Exaga | oh... i'm getting a lightbulb above my head |
| 08:41 | Exaga | right. you use openSUSE for a desktop (i am guessing) |
| 08:41 | Artox | I intend to |
| 08:41 | Artox | I want to get the real desktop experience on arm |
| 08:41 | Artox | but I am not there yet |
| 08:42 | Exag | 08:42 * Exaga slaps himself for forgetting that Slackware is not like most other linux distributions |
| 08:42 | jnettlet | really the big problem to getting a desktop experience on ARM is due to memory. |
| 08:42 | Artox | people have been running slackware desktops |
| 08:42 | Artox | jnettlet, true, I figured the 2gb of the i4pro was a minimum |
| 08:42 | Exaga | agreed jnettlet |
| 08:43 | Artox | but then, those 2gb should be sufficient also |
| 08:43 | Exaga | i run slackware on the i2eX and i1 |
| 08:43 | Artox | my chromebook has only those 2gb, and its doing a great job of the web |
| 08:43 | Exaga | and on both versions the desktop (XFCE) runs like a charm |
| 08:43 | Artox | no reason not to do that for email, and IDEs |
| 08:43 | jnettlet | well you can help to get around it with a few mods. zram/zswap and real swap on an SSD helps |
| 08:44 | jnettlet | Artox, yes the chromebook can handle that because of mainly one thing. Google has stripped out all the bloated gobject libraries |
| 08:44 | Artox | I am also looking towards the day I run tuxracer on the CBi |
| 08:44 | Artox | jnettlet, I see |
| 08:44 | Artox | so it can be done |
| 08:44 | Exaga | before the end of April 2015 my i2eX will have an SSD bolted onto it <3 |
| 08:45 | jnettlet | apparently the pengutronix guys have actually gotten etnaviv to render es2gears |
| 08:45 | Exaga | and then it will be faster than the Starship Enterprise |
| 08:47 | Artox | I did already run bzflag on my cuboxi |
| 08:47 | Artox | managed to log into a world, but it was horrislow |
| 08:47 | Artox | still, using the vivante libGL.so |
| 08:47 | Exaga | but hey Artox, did you know SUSE is a branch of Slackware? |
| 08:47 | Artox | I think someone linked me a massive chart years ago |
| 08:47 | Exaga | http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/44218-linuxdistrotimeline-7.2.png |
| 08:48 | Artox | yes, that one |
| 08:48 | Exaga | there you go :D |
| 08:48 | Artox | I didnt care much back then |
| 08:48 | Artox | and I dont think it matters today |
| 08:49 | Artox | but suse has been around for a while I'd say |
| 08:49 | Exaga | yes it's one of the older distros still available |
| 08:50 | Exaga | i've done vey little with it but my boss has a 5-server home network running SUSE |
| 08:51 | Exaga | i've just aken delivery of some very nice (and cheap) DS3231 RTC's that i'll be installing on the i1 |
| 08:51 | Exaga | taken* |
| 08:51 | Exaga | strange thing is, they come supplied with rechargeable ion batteries |
| 08:52 | Exag | 08:52 * Exaga bought 5 of them on eBay for approx 8 euros |
| 08:52 | Artox | oO |
| 08:52 | Artox | 5 |
| 08:52 | Exaga | ja |
| 08:52 | Artox | wieso |
| 08:52 | Exaga | want the link? |
| 08:52 | Artox | sure |
| 08:52 | Exaga | 1 min |
| 08:52 | Artox | just wondering, why 5? |
| 08:52 | Artox | because its a 5pack? |
| 08:53 | Artox | or because you have further plans |
| 08:53 | Exaga | i have *a few* arm devices here :D |
| 08:53 | Artox | I see |
| 08:53 | Exaga | and to be honest... the cost of 5 from china was the same as 1 from my own country |
| 08:53 | Artox | yes |
| 08:54 | Artox | its the same thing with those ftdi cables |
| 08:54 | Exaga | http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/171668143113 |
| 08:55 | Artox | so far I always found ntp to be sufficient for my needs |
| 08:56 | Exaga | it's as good as it gets for accurate time *if* you have access to the internet |
| 08:56 | Artox | yep |
| 08:56 | Artox | somehow I always took that for granted |
| 08:56 | Exaga | i think these days it's a safe bet :D |
| 08:56 | Artox | no |
| 08:57 | Artox | when ISPs enforce a 1-device-policy |
| 08:58 | Artox | things become really strange really fast |
| 08:58 | Exaga | but i like to have an RTC available. i set the system time daily/hourly from the RTC and i set the RTC once every month from ntp server |
| 08:58 | Artox | and lag is reality in some places of the world |
| 08:59 | jnettlet | I have a software fix for the CBi's rtc resetting itself in certain circumstances. |
| 08:59 | jnettlet | so far it seems pretty reliable |
| 08:59 | Exaga | jnettlet: oh, there is an issue there? |
| 09:00 | jnettlet | Exaga, apparently. It has to do with a few factors |
| 09:01 | Exaga | i am not a CBi owner so i wouldn't be aware |
| 09:01 | jnettlet | have gigabit ethernet plugged in, unplug power, wait some amount of time and then unplug ethernet. |
| 09:01 | jnettlet | The circuit was beefed up in the HBi to prevent backdrain |
| 09:01 | Exaga | i see. this is why it's not apparent to me |
| 09:02 | Exaga | although i have had issues with the i2eX RTC |
| 09:02 | Exaga | and still have issues with it |
| 09:02 | Exaga | software related |
| 09:02 | jnettlet | the problem is that the gigabit ethernet draws enough extra power that it can drain the capacitor for the pcf8523 faster than the loss of power is detected. |
| 09:02 | jnettlet | Exaga, how so? |
| 09:02 | Exaga | gotcha |
| 09:03 | jnettlet | there may be some clock slew as well. I am looking into that as well |
| 09:03 | jnettlet | there is an offset register that may need to be calibrated to fix that |
| 09:03 | Exaga | jnettlet: if i set the: date -s "Sat 21 Mar 10:05:00 2015" and instantly reboot, the next time it loads the RTC is not detected |
| 09:04 | jnettlet | Exaga, do you have a shutdown script that does hwclock -w |
| 09:04 | Exaga | yes |
| 09:04 | jnettlet | had the hwclock been initialized before? |
| 09:05 | Exaga | of course :> |
| 09:05 | jnettlet | if it is uninitialized sometimes you have to write the date twice |
| 09:05 | Exaga | ahhh... hey thanks i will try that |
| 09:05 | Exaga | it never even crossed my mind to do it twice :D |
| 09:05 | jnettlet | it is a stupid timing thing with the pcf8523 |
| 09:06 | Exaga | yes, now here i could whine and cry at you all morning |
| 09:06 | Exaga | i *do not like* the pcf8523 |
| 09:06 | jnettlet | I may put a retry into the kernel driver |
| 09:06 | Exaga | i always try to use the DS3231 when i can |
| 09:06 | Exaga | i find it flawless and the most accurate RTC i have ever used |
| 09:07 | jnettlet | well the in kernel driver is lacking a lot of the functionality that is in the pcf8523 |
| 09:07 | Exaga | i see |
| 09:07 | Exaga | well i always thought the RTC issue i was experiencing was software |
| 09:08 | Exaga | because... and i hate to admit it, the kernels i use are somewhat bastardised |
| 09:08 | Exaga | so it's mostly on-the-edge testing i use them for |
| 09:09 | Exaga | and for that i need accurate time on or off the internet |
| 09:10 | jnettlet | Exaga, are you using my 3.14 based kernel or upstream? |
| 09:10 | Exaga | right at the moment i am using 3.19.1 |
| 09:11 | jnettlet | oh that explains it |
| 09:11 | Exaga | ja :> |
| 09:11 | jnettlet | I have fixed a bunch of bugs in my kernel for the pcf8523 that I haven't pushed upstream yet |
| 09:11 | jnettlet | they will fix the problem you described above |
| 09:11 | Exaga | for general release of the slackware installer on humbo.fatdog.eu it uses 3.14.14 |
| 09:12 | Exaga | all official github repo source media |
| 09:13 | jnettlet | yeah the upstream pcf8523 completely ignores the datasheet for initialization which explains the failures you have |
| 09:13 | Artox | Exaga, should you ever fancy using the gpu or vpu, feel free to browse my packaging repos at https://github.com/mxOBS |
| 09:13 | Exaga | thanks Artox |
| 09:13 | Artox | and contribute any slackware buildscripts (if thats how slackware builds packages) |
| 09:13 | Exag | |
| 09:13 | Exaga | jnettlet: well that's saved me an item on my TODO list :D |
| 09:13 | Exaga | thanks |
| 09:14 | Exaga | Artox: slackware has one of the easiest package building procedures out there |
| 09:14 | Artox | I heard its tar |
| 09:15 | Exaga | .tgz .txz |
| 09:15 | jnettlet | The need to write to the pcf8523 twice is because if the date is reset and there is power and battery the rtc goes into suspend mode, so you need to write to it twice, once to wake it up and the second to store the value. |
| 09:15 | Artox | but idk is there any automation? |
| 09:15 | jnettlet | I need to fix that |
| 09:16 | Artox | like, with .spec or .deb there are automated tools to execute them |
| 09:16 | Exaga | jnettlet: i have mine on a battery backup |
| 09:16 | jnettlet | Exaga, yeah your problem is different |
| 09:16 | Exaga | Artox: there is *little* automation in Slackware, it's what Slackware is all about |
| 09:16 | jnettlet | that is due to the failure to swap the capacitance |
| 09:16 | Exaga | i see jnettlet |
| 09:17 | jnettlet | and wait for the oscillator to stabilize |
| 09:17 | Exaga | Artox: i don't mean to sound rude but when people start talking about automation i refer them to debian or ubuntu |
| 09:17 | Artox | I see |
| 09:17 | Arto | 09:17 * Artox hates debianihs automation :) |
| 09:17 | jnettlet | https://github.com/linux4kix/linux-linaro-stable-mx6/commits/linux-linaro-lsk-v3.14-mx6/drivers/rtc/rtc-pcf8523.c |
| 09:17 | Exaga | "apt-get -y install" just about does it |
| 09:18 | Artox | but I meant package-making wise; I dont imagine people sit there and type build commands into the keybord for every slackware release |
| 09:19 | Artox | but then I suppose its jsut a huge build_all.sh |
| 09:19 | Artox | with a subscript for every pkg |
| 09:19 | Artox | or piece of software |
| 09:19 | Exaga | hmmm... actually you are right and not so right at the same time |
| 09:19 | Exaga | i cannot speak for all users but yes, i do just that |
| 09:19 | Exaga | i type in every command required |
| 09:19 | Exaga | in the case of build packages |
| 09:19 | Exaga | i usually write a bash script for it |
| 09:19 | Exaga | or... slackbuilds.org |
| 09:20 | Exaga | is much easier |
| 09:20 | Exaga | slackware gives you the freedom to do it how you want to do it |
| 09:20 | Artox | I see |
| 09:20 | Exaga | for me the joy of slackware is being able to do everything manually |
| 09:21 | Exaga | at every stage and on every level |
| 09:21 | jnettlet | oh and Artox, Exaga, I have pushed u-boot patches yesterday |
| 09:21 | Artox | Hmm |
| 09:21 | Artox | I suppose we should update u-boot |
| 09:21 | Exaga | i learn so much more from slackware than, say, debian |
| 09:21 | Artox | is it important? |
| 09:21 | jnettlet | They fix the video resolution timing problems so u-boot should work on most VESA comopatible displays now. |
| 09:21 | Artox | (my current uboot packages will never replace the bootloader installed at the boot sectors) |
| 09:21 | Exaga | cool! thanks jnettlet |
| 09:22 | Artox | sounds important |
| 09:22 | Exaga | i'll do some testing later today |
| 09:22 | Exag | 09:22 * Exaga gets ready to fire up the i2eX |
| 09:22 | jnettlet | it also changes uboot so if no display is detected it doesn't probe USB which speeds up boot on headless setups |
| 09:22 | Exaga | perfect for me |
| 09:22 | jnettlet | there are a few patches/fixes backported as well |
| 09:22 | Exaga | i'm 95% headless |
| 09:23 | kelly_ | Exaga, it's nice to have come from Slackware...but at this stage of the game i want more features |
| 09:23 | Exaga | kelly_: i agree. i have been around the block a few times too but always return to Slack |
| 09:24 | kelly_ | i used Slackware for years, but really decided i needed to move beyond Slackware |
| 09:24 | Exaga | :D |
| 09:24 | Exaga | and what did you need that Slackware didn't provide kelly_ ? |
| 09:24 | Exag | 09:24 * Exaga is intrigued |
| 09:25 | Artox | convenience? |
| 09:25 | jnettlet | a good name? |
| 09:25 | kelly_ | modern boot management, and security features |
| 09:25 | Artox | oh |
| 09:25 | Exaga | i see |
| 09:25 | Exaga | so what distro do you favour these days kelly_ ? |
| 09:26 | kelly_ | i have my own distro, Xilka, although I don't push it, i use it on all of my x86_64/i686/arm boxes |
| 09:26 | Exaga | that's awesome |
| 09:26 | kelly_ | yeah, I wouldn't have been able to get there without the foundation of Slackware |
| 09:27 | Exaga | respect to you kelly_ |
| 09:27 | Exaga | because you really did do it YOUR WAY! :D |
| 09:28 | Exaga | i have considered creating a distro but the time and effort involved is more than i can muster |
| 09:28 | Exaga | there are other things in life to experience |
| 09:29 | Exaga | like good wine, fast women, and GTA5 (not always in that order) |
| 09:30 | Artox | fast women? |
| 09:30 | Exaga | maybe it was fast wine and good women ?!? |
| 09:30 | Exaga | :D |
| 09:31 | Exaga | Artox: all the women in my life have been fast, they leave as fast as they arrive :D |
| 09:31 | Arto | 09:31 * Artox is confused |
| 09:31 | Artox | thats kinda sad |
| 09:32 | Artox | but not time for my lunner (lunch+dinner) |
| 09:32 | Exaga | enjoy! |
| 09:32 | Artox | I will |
| 22:07 | dropp | Hello! |
| 22:07 | dropp | Anybody here& :) |
| 22:07 | dropp | ? |
| 22:07 | dropp | I have trouble |
| 22:07 | dropp | with my cubox-i4pro and IR |
| 22:08 | dropp | openelec 5 |
| 22:09 | dropp | Linux OpenELEC 3.14.25 |
| 22:09 | dropp | mode2 shows keys pressed on my remote |
| 22:09 | dropp | but everytime different raw numbers |
| 22:10 | dropp | and no luck with irrecord |
| 22:10 | dropp | any help? |
| 22:16 | dropp | tried 5 different RCs |
| 22:22 | dropp | there is no IR emitters in the room |
| 22:24 | dropp | no fake responses in mode2 |
| 22:24 | dropp | IR key pressed - mode2 shows values |
| 22:24 | dropp | but every time different |
| 22:25 | dropp | 9013 4460 622 496 599 520 - first time key pressed |
| 22:25 | dropp | 9057 4431 583 528 594 527 - second time |