| 23:59 | jnettlet | anyone else that decides to download that image. It is just an initial testing image. If you have problems please report them to me, but don't come crying if it explodes all over your face. |
| 06:04 | jnettlet | mk01, if you are bored I would love your input on my OE test image. |
| 06:05 | jnettlet | Now that I have dug in a bit more and seen various issues I think we can do a much better job in Kodi for our hardware. |
| 06:40 | jnettlet | rmk found another one of those in the 4.2 kernel. Someone trying to memblock_reserve after the kernel had already assigned the memory to its allocators. |
| 06:40 | jnettlet | woops |
| 06:41 | jnettlet | wrong window |
| 10:42 | Viperisthebeast | How do I unsplit the ram on the cubox-i to have openelec use the max ram? |
| 10:48 | jnettlet | Viperisthebeast, I don't understand what you mean. |
| 10:48 | Viperisthebeast | When I install the stable version of openelec it splits the ram of my cubox 4x4 to 1 GB, it doesn't need to |
| 10:49 | jnettlet | Oh that is because OpenElec doesn't backport their fixes to stable. The only updated u-boot to support the 4x4 model in the -test builds |
| 10:49 | jnettlet | If you want to update it you will need to build u-boot yourself and dd it onto the SD-card |
| 10:50 | Viperisthebeast | to make it use the full 4 GB on the stable you mean |
| 10:50 | jnettlet | yes |
| 10:50 | Viperisthebeast | When will it get fixed for stable though? |
| 10:51 | jnettlet | but FYI openelec will never use 4GBs of memory. Unless you are running every service they provide it will only use about 1GB |
| 10:51 | jnettlet | I don't think it will. I have no control over OE |
| 10:51 | Viperisthebeast | I guess I will have to change the u-boot file then |
| 10:54 | Viperisthebeast | the sd card I got that came preloaded with openelec beta showed the full 4 GB, but then I put the stable version on it |
| 10:55 | jnettlet | yes because OE doesn't include a new enough u-boot |
| 10:56 | Viperisthebeast | Is that sd card not class 10 even though it says it is because I was using a PNY class 10 sd card before and it was faster when navigating the menus and stuff |
| 10:57 | Viperisthebeast | way faster |
| 10:59 | jnettlet | no it should be class 10, but various cards can have different performance. However OE runs everything from a ramdisk so disk performance makes no difference in the speed of drawing menus. |
| 10:59 | Viperisthebeast | Are you running openelec beta on youre cubox? |
| 11:00 | jnettlet | I am working on getting OE 6.0 working well on the cubox |
| 11:00 | Viperisthebeast | What do you mean working on getting it working well? I thought it did |
| 11:01 | jnettlet | In Kodi 15 they have rewritten a large part of the rendering. |
| 11:01 | jnettlet | that is why is why it is beta |
| 11:02 | Viperisthebeast | If the stable versions never show the full 4 GB can I just use the betas? |
| 11:03 | jnettlet | yes. but you do realize that just normal video playback won't use all that extra RAM. |
| 11:03 | Viperisthebeast | yes |
| 11:04 | jnettlet | I also don't guarantee the performance of the OE beta's. Kodi has changed a lot |
| 11:04 | Viperisthebeast | don't guarantee? |
| 11:06 | jnettlet | they are beta quality software, which means there can be bugs |
| 11:07 | Viperisthebeast | How do you know there will never be an updated u-boot to support the 4x4 model in the stable builds? |
| 11:09 | jnettlet | there will once the new beta becomes stable. |
| 11:10 | Viperisthebeast | you mean once the current/recent beta becomes stable |
| 11:11 | Viperisthebeast | So if I copied the i4-pro uboot to the stable 5.0.8 build I have now it wouldn't work |
| 11:11 | vpeter | Viperisthebeast: Stable 6 will show 4 G. Already current betas doo. |
| 11:13 | Viperisthebeast | can't wait lol |
| 11:14 | Viperisthebeast | guess it wouldn't work if I copied the i4-pro one |
| 11:15 | Viperisthebeast | Would it be just one line I would have to change in the current stable u-boot to get it to show 4 G? |
| 11:16 | vpeter | I think it should work. Just dd SPL and u-boot.bin. |
| 11:16 | vpeter | jnettlet: Nice code you wrote for SPL. I adapted it for some other board very quickly. |
| 11:17 | Viperisthebeast | dd SPL? |
| 11:18 | jnettlet | vpeter, well it was many people. Originally a Taiwanese developer, then rabeeh and I have added pieces. |
| 11:18 | Viperisthebeast | I'm guessing SPL is a file? What is dd? |
| 11:19 | vpeter | Viperisthebeast: You muxt put SPL file and u-boot.bin to sd card. |
| 11:19 | vpeter | u-boot.bin must be copied to first FAT partion where KERNEL and SYSTEM files are. |
| 11:19 | Viperisthebeast | Where do you get the fixed u-boot.bin? |
| 11:20 | vpeter | dd if=SPL of=/dev/sdX bs=1k seek=1 conv=notrunc |
| 11:20 | vpeter | /dev/sdX is your sd card. |
| 11:20 | vpeter | But I would be very carefull with this commands. |
| 11:24 | Viperisthebeast | the class 10 sd card that came with my cubox must have bad performance because the class 10 one I was using before was super fast |
| 11:29 | jnettlet | cbxbiker61, it looks like SPDIF is broken in FSL's latest patch sets. I will sort that out this evening. HDMI audio is working fine, and all the broken tv's are working. |
| 16:03 | topi` | does anyone have the new Hummingboard Edge yet? |
| 16:03 | topi` | it looks like a decent board, I wish there would be a proper metal enclosure for it for "heavy duty uses" |
| 16:12 | jnettlet | topi`, I have one of the few dev boards. It has a lot of great features. How is the SR enclosure for it not proper? |
| 16:15 | jnettlet | topi`, the mikro bus stuff is super cool. I am very happy we were able to to work with them. |
| 16:15 | jnettlet | it will make prototyping superfast |
| 16:19 | jnettlet | For anyone that hasn't seen them. http://www.mikroe.com/click/ |
| 16:21 | topi` | jnettlet: yeah, I just checked out mikrobus, I haven't heard of it before |
| 16:22 | topi` | they have a nice row of peripherals for it already, even a Joystick board :) |
| 16:22 | jnettlet | you don't like the enclosure for it? |
| 16:22 | topi` | if using the Metal enclosure, can you fit any MikroBUS board inside? |
| 16:23 | topi` | I can't say much about the Enclosure without seeing it first ;) it does have some mounting holes for wall mounting |
| 16:23 | topi` | and a drill can be used to make holes for 3G/GPS antennas :) |
| 16:23 | topi` | I could find a use for mikroBUS - get a small GPS board on it |
| 16:23 | jnettlet | well gps and metal don't go so well together. |
| 16:24 | topi` | hmm, in the schematics I see a CANBUS block, but the comment states that it can only be assembled when HDMI is not assembled, they're mutually exclusive |
| 16:24 | topi` | with GPS you'd need an antenna hole |
| 16:24 | jnettlet | most the mikroBUS connectors should fit, but of course there are some (like the joystick) that obviously don't lend to working in the case |
| 16:25 | jnettlet | there is some additional space on the back of the case that can lend to adding antennas |
| 16:25 | jnettlet | of course we will be switching to the iMX6+ soc's as soon as fsl starts shipping them. |
| 16:27 | topi` | do you know if there are USB signals on headers like there were on the Hummingboard PRO? |
| 16:27 | jnettlet | there are 4 usb ports already on the board. |
| 16:27 | topi` | what's the iMX6+ soc? |
| 16:27 | topi` | yeah, there are, but we cannot use any external dongles |
| 16:28 | topi` | so if we want an USB peripheral, it needs to go inside the case |
| 16:28 | topi` | and then route the signals to internal headers |
| 16:28 | jnettlet | you can use the mPCIe slot on the bottom |
| 16:28 | topi` | this is how I connected 2 mPCIe modems in Hummingboard PRO :) |
| 16:29 | topi` | but by all means, the board looks good. I'll send an email to the boss to order one board. |
| 16:29 | jnettlet | the iMX6+ is a revised iMX6D/Q that fixes the broken mmdc/axi design and increases the memorybandwidth for the SOC. |
| 16:30 | jnettlet | freescale claims 50% increase in gpu performance, |
| 16:30 | topi` | that's great news! it was the mem bandwidth where the i.MX6 was really losing against e.g. a Snapdragon 600 |
| 16:31 | jnettlet | yeah it wasn't until about a year after release that a bunch of us started looking at the numbers and trying to figure out what was going on. |
| 16:31 | jnettlet | oh, of course you can always solder to the bottom of the usb pins for more internal headers |
| 16:32 | topi` | well, that's true |
| 16:32 | topi` | what about the measly Gigabit ethernet performance? |
| 16:33 | jnettlet | still limited to about 600 down and 450 up |
| 16:33 | topi` | I have a el cheapo ODROID-C1 with cortex-A5 cores that outdoes the HB in ethernet by a wide margin |
| 16:33 | topi` | luckily our corporate stuff isn't really ethernet-bound |
| 16:33 | jnettlet | if you want faster ethernet then mPCIe is the way to go |
| 16:33 | topi` | so the 470Mb/s is not an issue, corporate-wise |
| 16:33 | topi` | our customers won't notice it |
| 16:34 | topi` | it's just funny that the Freescale guys design crippled ethernets :) I mean, I thought they had several years of experience on high-speed design |
| 16:34 | jnettlet | well downstream is generally over 500. the iMX6+ may help that a bit but there is an internal bus limitation at play....not USB |
| 16:34 | jnettlet | their IO is a bit lacking |
| 16:34 | topi` | they did a lot of great stuff in past decades, like the 740/750 powerpc processors |
| 16:35 | topi` | and I remember dabbling with the Altivec insn set in the 7400 :) |
| 16:35 | jnettlet | The new Marvell SOC's crush the iMX6 for I/O |
| 16:35 | topi` | at that time, I was employed as a sw engineer doing some multimedia stuff with limited power budgets, so I immediately saw the benefits of the 7400 |
| 16:37 | jnettlet | but I think the iMX6+ will be a healthy bump for pushing 1080p and hopefully boost sata/pcie a bit. |
| 16:38 | topi` | we have a few customers who want to show video on a LCD panel, but I guess they don't care if its 720p or 1080p |
| 16:38 | jnettlet | as of now the fastest I have seen through Sata is about 124MB/s ....basically 1Gbps |
| 16:39 | jnettlet | the LVDS port is still limited to single channel, so it won't do 1080p. |
| 16:39 | topi` | but 120MB/s is a decent rate for SATA, that's what my old Macbook is doing when fitted with a cheap Sandisk 120G SSD |
| 16:39 | topi` | it's not that "old" macbook, it's a 2010 model with a decent core2duo |
| 16:39 | jnettlet | I think 1440x900 is the max it will support |
| 16:40 | topi` | who uses LVDS? |
| 16:40 | topi` | I guess if you have a specific LCD display, you want LVDS signals |
| 16:40 | jnettlet | you mentioned an LCD panel |
| 16:40 | topi` | like on a laptop's screen |
| 16:40 | jnettlet | yeah |
| 16:40 | topi` | no, the customers are just buying cheap LCD tv's with HDMI, and then we display ads on those |
| 16:40 | topi` | easy :) |
| 16:41 | jnettlet | HDMI we can do. |
| 16:43 | topi` | yeah, I've done that with Hummingboard Pro :) |
| 16:44 | topi` | we just lost a customer so didn't get the chance to deploy HB's w/ external displays |
| 16:44 | jnettlet | oh and the edge is 12volt power supply |
| 16:44 | topi` | can I feed the Edge directly from a car battery? |
| 16:44 | jnettlet | yes, it has power protection up to 19 volts I believe....maybe more I can't remember what rabeeh said |
| 16:46 | topi` | I'll ask rabeeh |
| 16:47 | jnettlet | actually...you could do a mini pcie to dual usb-30 header if you wanted. |
| 16:47 | jnettlet | we now support full length mini pcie cards since it was moved to the bottom of the board |
| 16:48 | topi` | yeah |
| 16:48 | topi` | M.2 is also an important thing, it seems everybody's going to M.2 now |
| 16:49 | jnettlet | well same storage, less space and same cost |
| 16:50 | jnettlet | although there are some compatibility issues due to a non-finalized spec |
| 19:28 | rabeeh | topi`: DC-in can go up to 36v |
| 19:36 | cbxbiker61 | hi rabeeh, haven't heard from you in here for ages |
| 19:37 | rabeeh | cbxbiker61: i'm always here :) |
| 19:37 | rabeeh | just busy.... as usual... |
| 19:37 | cbxbiker61 | that's good |