IRC log of #cubox of Mon 16 Nov 2015. All times are in CET < Back to index

23:59 mk001 heap_: no. it just really looks the box has problems to manage state with drives being off and/or powering them up
00:00 mk001 normally I would not make big issue even from error EACH time on wake up. so what. you waits 10s longer. but you said sometimes it all just dies - with reboot needer or wha
00:00 mk001 what
00:00 heap_ that error happened 11x
00:01 mk001 heap_: man wait wait. in the 5 years only 11x ?
00:01 heap_ mk001: yes today it completely died.
00:01 heap_ mk001: no not in 5 years
00:01 heap_ mk001: during the last 5 hours
00:01 mk001 ok then. I would kill you otherwise :D
00:01 mk001 then we are still friends :)
00:01 heap_ :)
00:02 mk001 so really just to wrap up
00:02 heap_ what im wondering is why it stopped
00:02 heap_ for now
00:02 heap_ bc same operation is running ... that rsync....
00:02 heap_ its still in progress
00:02 mk001 I can imagine throwing error after wakeup / small freeze timeout IF only it goes up properly
00:02 mk001 if NOT , throw it away
00:05 mk001 (at the end, when I was looking for PCIE sata/esata expansion board (with at least 6 ports), I had to buy four boards until I got one working as I wanted)
00:06 mk001 none of rockwell chips worked ok, finally I ended up with ASMEDIA chip ... I don't know I have that machine at all.
00:07 mk001 another alternative is to buy rackmount SAS enclosure and some proper adaptec SAS multiport controllers
00:08 mk001 and connect it cross 2+2 (so four lines across mirrored controllers)
00:08 mk001 then you will not see such errors
00:08 mk001 :D
00:08 mk001 ~10k without drives
00:11 mk001 jnettlet: those 2 x Port dedicated Ethernet Clearfog base are as written, unstitched two separe ports , right ?
00:12 mk001 unstitched = unswitched
00:12 heap_ mk001: hmhm not clear... but one might end up to buy qnap ;/
00:13 mk001 heap_: it's personal opinion - but with those you get another kinds of problems
00:13 mk001 but it's always a balance , consensus, yes
00:17 heap_ mk001: what kind of other problems do you mean?:)
00:20 mk001 not expandable, limited by closed source (and mostly without further development) management software, services messed up by producer company, many times not following official standards, ... (again personal opinion) it's anything but flexible / lifetime solution
00:21 heap_ now it happend again blah
00:21 heap_ mk001: yeah u are right .. hard to make a compromis
00:22 mk001 mk001: but on the othe rhand have to admit - for a user not keen in tech, or not having that time to care himself
00:22 mk001 it is A WAY to go
00:22 mk001 honestly
00:23 mk001 I bought one to mother having over 65 ....
00:23 heap_ same issues i have with osx and mac... literally i hate that os and machine.
00:24 mk001 :)))
00:24 mk001 I have ONLY macs, and . would never ever change.
00:24 mk001 but
00:24 mk001 since 10.6 I get what you mean :D
00:25 mk001 what progresses over the gens is the spinning wheel I renamed to spinlock wheel . and it even gets BIGGER with each osx release :D
00:27 heap_ mk001: do you use osx?
00:27 heap_ mk001: are u american?
00:27 mk001 you perhaps had no chance to use 10.4, or 10.5, with clean mach kernel and simple X on it - where a locked UI was unknown event ...
00:27 mk001 nope. EU
00:28 heap_ oh ok
00:28 mk001 but I was like shredding books in 1y tops
00:28 mk001 since I started with macs, I have all of them still working
00:28 heap_ mk001: nah i started with 10.10 and its pain.
00:28 mk001 heap_: unfortunatelly I have to agree with you.
00:29 heap_ so why u use osx?
00:29 heap_ i read that linus torvald uses linux on apple hw
00:29 heap_ i was thinking about same but not idea if its workable
00:30 mk001 still there is no faster UI for me than those perfect UI combo + multigestures on top of GNU base, but with fast here I mean :able to be used fast: .... otherwise goes worse each year
00:30 heap_ mk001: well see i dont know how use that UI
00:31 heap_ u cant do anything with Finder
00:31 heap_ for example
00:31 mk001 heap_ it is perfectly workable. even funny fact - HW with lowest downtimes for Windows
00:31 mk001 is MAC
00:31 heap_ mk001: workable what? apple hw + linux?
00:32 mk001 or apple hw + win if you need so.
00:32 mk001 but I have travelled so many brands in my lifetime
00:32 heap_ oh but is it really stable?
00:32 heap_ to use win / lin on apple hw?
00:32 mk001 and practically don't see ONE argument why I should stop buying it in future
00:32 mk001 HW with lowest downtimes for Windows is MAC
00:33 heap_ :)
00:33 mk001 even according to MS stats
00:33 heap_ question is if u can make works all drivers etc
00:33 heap_ mk001: but problem with osx and ui is that its hard to work with it easily....no files explorer etc
00:33 mk001 even when apple migrated to intel hw
00:33 mk001 it is still CLOSED hw platform
00:33 heap_ mk001: how do you backup all your apple laptops?
00:34 mk001 there is nothing like HW with no driver
00:34 mk001 because there is very small portfolio of HW
00:34 mk001 :))
00:34 heap_ mk001: i know but u can experience issues
00:34 heap_ mk001: how u backup and what do u use as file explorer?
00:35 mk001 mine fileexplorer is text console + midnight commander
00:35 mk001 backups are something like worth of half of reasons why buy MAC
00:36 heap_ mk001: ok same here... terminal + mc but i wanted something nice in gui
00:36 mk001 (if you again stick to only one oficial way to do it - against time capsule)
00:36 heap_ mk001: timemachine?
00:36 mk001 yes sorry - timemachine
00:36 heap_ mk001: but do you have original apple time capsule? hw?
00:36 mk001 I have one, yes
00:37 mk001 but as said before mother has this zyxel smart box
00:37 heap_ i was unable to make work timemachine on linux works w/out issues
00:37 mk001 and gloabally I have pool dedicated for timemachine on the network terra byte storage
00:37 heap_ mk001: but i wanted run everything on linux didnt wante to buy another hw ;/
00:37 mk001 so it all goes there
00:38 mk001 you can
00:38 mk001 mine xxxTB pool is ZFS pool
00:38 mk001 on debian
00:38 mk001 the timemachine destination is on it
00:38 heap_ no because there are still issues if u try to simulate timemachine and not running oroginal time capsule
00:38 heap_ thats what i was told
00:39 mk001 you was told not quite right
00:39 heap_ and when i tried it on ext4 got corrupted backups etc
00:39 heap_ or whole sparsebundle where timeachine stored data got corrupted
00:39 mk001 yes, the problem is / but with trying to emulate timemachine as backup proto
00:39 mk001 not with having data pool anywhere else
00:39 mk001 you just need to install TIMEMACHINE service
00:39 mk001 anywhere on the network
00:40 mk001 (on macosx of course)
00:40 mk001 then in it you can pick ANY destination as data storage
00:40 mk001 and all macs are talking to native timemachine service
00:41 heap_ i emulated timemachine on linux as netatalk
00:41 mk001 yes I know
00:41 mk001 those hacks
00:41 heap_ thats wrong?
00:41 mk001 as said earlier
00:41 heap_ can timemachine on osx use ext4 storage?
00:41 heap_ or how u cant to use that pool?
00:41 mk001 YES IT CAN
00:41 heap_ zfs or ext4
00:42 mk001 over the network
00:42 mk001 perhaps even directly
00:42 mk001 if there is OSX EXT4 driver
00:42 heap_ do you nfs4 or smb?
00:42 heap_ mean*
00:42 mk001 but I never tried, as again i'm plain ZFS everywhere
00:42 heap_ so how u store on your zfs timemachine data?
00:42 mk001 the network pool is NFS
00:42 heap_ u exported zfs via nfs?
00:42 mk001 yes
00:43 mk001 and osx natively migrated to SMB in 10.9
00:43 heap_ but hm ok so i cant just run timemachine client i have to run timemachine service?
00:43 mk001 there is no appetalk / netatalk
00:43 mk001 heap_: yes, that's the way apple designed it/ tested it / and it simply works
00:44 mk001 everything else is ... . constant care of something not working as should
00:44 heap_ bc when i open timemachine from topbar menu i can see only APF disk
00:44 mk001 heap_: yes, :) i was being funny about that recently
00:44 heap_ i cant see there any smb/nfs disk that i mounted
00:44 mk001 even apple can be stupid like microsoft
00:45 mk001 problem is, that timemachine still HARD depends on HARD LINKS
00:45 mk001 but hard links are normally not working over differetn storage, or directories
00:45 mk001 so APPLE hacked it into own extensonsions
00:45 mk001 of AFP
00:45 heap_ mk001: so how can u access nfs/smb storage using timemachine?
00:45 mk001 let me finish
00:45 mk001 ;)
00:46 heap_ ok
00:46 mk001 so that all means, even macosx is emulating AFP over SMB to make timemachine work
00:46 mk001 ((untii they develop something different))
00:46 mk001 so to answer your qustion
00:46 mk001 question
00:47 mk001 yes, it works
00:47 mk001 BECAUSE
00:47 mk001 timemachine has to provide ENV for hardlinks -> this goes only over AFP, but Timemachine has to "emulate" that on top of SMB/NFS anyhow, as AFP doesn't exists anymore
00:48 mk001 so this is clinet mac -> talking to timemachine service
00:48 mk001 then the second part TM -> storage
00:48 mk001 was never limited / is not limitd
00:48 mk001 you pick anything the service can access
00:49 mk001 so locally seen storage, network mounted shares, doesn't matter
00:50 heap_ mk001: i have mounted smb share but i cant see it inside tm
00:50 mk001 so you installed TM server service already ?
00:50 heap_ no let me do this
00:51 mk001 you have to buy maxos server
00:51 mk001 19,90 usd
00:51 heap_ ah ;/
00:51 heap_ but then u need a hw to run it
00:51 mk001 basically that HW can be your macbook
00:52 heap_ hrm so u can run maxos server inside osx?
00:52 mk001 "server" means like ten daemons / services
00:52 mk001 + GUI mngmt tool
00:52 mk001 yes, it's called server
00:52 mk001 but it is Extensions (based on OPEN protocols (like ldap, nfsd, and others))
00:53 mk001 to povide "server" services
00:53 mk001 with a GUI
00:53 heap_ but if u say osx server it sounds like separate os
00:53 mk001 so you don't need terminal
00:53 mk001 I know
00:53 mk001 APPLEs marketing
00:53 mk001 not mine
00:53 mk001 there is also postgres
00:54 mk001 some XSAN tools
00:54 heap_ but from what you are saying i got u can run osx serve inside osx system?
00:54 mk001 ah
00:54 mk001 DNSs bind server
00:54 mk001 + dhcp
00:54 mk001 all with full GUI to manage
00:54 mk001 OH
00:55 mk001 and apache with php and python and cgi
00:55 mk001 and over it all unified certificate management
00:55 mk001 quite usefull if you don't want to have opened terminal all the time
00:55 mk001 with banch if google searches and MAN pages
00:56 mk001 banch = bunch
00:56 heap_ let me go thru http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/apple-in-the-enterprise/how-to-set-up-apple-os-x-server/
00:56 mk001 yes
00:56 mk001 that's it
00:56 mk001 on apple store for 19
00:56 mk001 with the licensing as always
00:57 heap_ hrm so you run osx server inside osx install
00:57 mk001 you can install and USE it in parallel in all your CLOUD / family machines
00:57 mk001 yes, I have one mac mini model 2010
00:57 mk001 with no more use
00:57 mk001 basically like OVERPOWERED TC
00:57 heap_ mk001: but i have only macbook pro
00:58 mk001 I can give you air 2009 (core2duo + 4gb ram + 128ssd) with no monitor
00:58 mk001 (with no screen)
00:58 mk001 for free
00:58 mk001 :)
00:59 heap_ why without screen?
00:59 heap_ you mean macbook air?
00:59 mk001 yes
00:59 mk001 1260 model
00:59 heap_ u dont need it anymore?
00:59 mk001 without sceen because I run over it with car
01:00 mk001 no, I have no use for it
01:03 kasvain lol!
01:04 kasvain in speaking of i managed to repair customer's iphone4 which was ran over with car equipped with stud tires
01:04 kasvain managed to make the frame straight and assembly it without laughing edges
01:05 kasvain before and after pics should have been taken, epic look
01:41 mk001 LD
01:41 mk001 :D
01:44 Hilikus hello
01:46 Hilikus i'm considering buying a cuboxTV but i can't find a definitive answer wether i will be able to use to for netflix streaming. can someone tell me if it works well
06:44 Defiant Hilikus: google for kodi netflix, the answer is usually no
06:45 Hilikus Defiant: ok so it's an issue more with Kodi than with the device it seems. What about if I use android (i understand I can boot into openelec/kodi or android)
16:03 heap_ whqts the latest kernel version from the solidrun?
16:08 Artox heap_: 3.14.54
16:13 heap_ any plans for 4x?
16:14 Artox as far as I know
16:14 Artox mainline works
16:14 Artox just without gpu/vpu and idk what else
16:14 Artox other than that, no clue if there is another plan
16:15 heap_ i need 3.19 bc of btrfs
16:16 Artox you mean btrfs bugs in 3.14?
16:16 Artox I love them!
16:16 Artox (only because f2fs is more broken)
16:17 heap_ what bugs?i need r5 support and recovery
16:19 Artox I had crashes with btrfs and compression
16:19 Artox I think
16:19 Artox on 3.14
16:19 Artox f2f2 however was going OOM with chown -R
16:20 Artox just try btrfs on 3.14
16:20 Artox and see if its good enough
16:20 heap_ strangr 3.14 shold be ok
16:23 heap_ or i should try kernel from the xbian?
16:23 heap_ whwre is jnette
16:24 Artox xbian?
16:24 Artox idk
16:24 Artox just tkae *the* kernel :)
16:24 Artox what are you running?
16:25 heap_ soliidrun deb
16:25 Artox http://solid-run.com/wiki/doku.php?id=products:imx6:software:development:kernel#kernel1
16:25 Artox and whats wrong with it, heap_?
16:25 Artox (because thats the one I maintain)
16:25 Artox topi`: ping
16:25 heap_ Artox: which one
16:26 heap_ i was told on btrfs that never kernel the better
16:27 Artox the solidrun debian images
16:27 Artox and their kernel package (.deb)
16:27 Artox heap_: that is sort of true
16:27 Artox newer kernels probably have more bugs fixed
16:28 Artox and, can have new ones opened
16:28 Artox but I have been using my ssd with btrfs
16:28 Artox for over a year
16:28 Artox with all SR 3.14 kernels since
16:28 heap_ i need 3.19
16:28 heap_ becsue of r5 supoort
16:28 Artox raid5?
16:28 Artox supposedly works with 3.14 too
16:29 Artox http://marc.merlins.org/perso/btrfs/post_2014-03-23_Btrfs-Raid5-Status.html
16:29 Artox found this post
16:29 Artox "As of 3.14, it works if everything goes right, but the error handling is still lacking. Unexpected conditions are likely to cause unexpected failures. Buyer beware :)"
16:29 Artox I cant give you any 3.19 though. Maybe you just want to use mainline
16:30 Artox I should probably make a debian package of mainline, some day .....
16:30 heap_ well r5 works wjth 3.14
16:30 heap_ but r5 recovery works from 3.19
16:30 bencoh is it supposed to be "stable" enough to use it for data you care about?
16:31 Artox I heard someone in here tell me btrfs has n ot ever been in such a state
16:31 Artox but I wouldnt risk it
16:31 bencoh that's what I thought
16:32 heap_ its not?
16:32 bencoh (not production-ready_
16:32 heap_ i thought its stable.
16:32 bencoh it might depend on the features you use
16:32 bencoh (and your luck)
16:32 heap_ hrrrrr
16:32 heap_ so what to do
16:35 Artox I personally would say software raid
16:35 Artox mdadm
16:35 Artox or try mainline
16:37 heap_ ah
16:37 heap_ :(
17:04 heap_ Artox: around?
17:06 Artox yes
17:13 heap_ Artox: so do you think i can use 3.19 with the same patches as 3.14
17:13 Artox nope
17:13 heap_ ;/
17:13 Artox sorry I dont have anything more constructive to offer
17:14 heap_ or any plans to patch 3.19 similarly as 3.14 is
17:14 Artox I dont think there are
17:14 Artox jnettlet would know
17:14 Artox either he has, or he hasnt
17:14 heap_ ;/
17:14 heap_ will see no idea where is he
17:14 Artox he is just busy
17:15 heap_ okay
17:15 heap_ will see
17:15 heap_ thx
17:20 vpeter heap_: mk01 is using some 4.0+ kernel.
17:23 heap_ yeah i heard about it
17:24 heap_ but the thing is or at least what ppl from #btrfs say that its still not stable in r5 config
17:28 heap_ so clearly, i have no idea what setup should i use
17:28 heap_ ;-)
17:36 Artox heap_: is there anything against latest mainline?
17:42 heap_ Artox: whats the latest mainline?
17:43 heap_ Artox: i mean generally btrfs is not in the state to run btrfs r5
17:43 heap_ without possible issues, what i was told
17:43 Artox 4.4-rc1
17:43 heap_ Artox: but u said that one is not patched for cubox
17:44 Artox it works on cubox
17:44 Artox what doesnt work is
17:44 Artox GPU
17:44 Artox VPU
17:44 Artox do you want these=
17:44 heap_ for what are these good for? encrypto? or media?
17:45 Artox Media
17:45 Artox OpenGL
17:45 Artox and video coding
17:45 heap_ i dont need any media
17:45 heap_ it meant to be NAS onlyt
17:45 heap_ nas only box
18:18 heap_ Artox: well i thought each kernel is slightly modified for the cubox purpose... then whats the diff between arch and deb kernel? based on what you are saying there is no diff?
18:20 heap_ mk001: hi
18:42 Artox heap_: arch and debian?
18:42 Artox no clue
18:42 Artox because I have no clue what archlinux people are doing
18:42 Artox the debian kernel in solidrun images
18:42 Artox is maintained by jnettlet
18:43 Artox GPU/VPU is very important for many people
18:43 Artox as is crypto support
18:43 heap_ mainline also?
18:43 Artox Russell King works on mainline support
18:43 Artox feeding patches in
18:43 Artox but there are things that dont go easily into mainline
18:44 Artox there is ongoing work on an opensource graphics stack however
18:44 Artox etnaviv
18:46 heap_ yeh crypto support another important part
18:50 heap_ thats key for me
19:46 heap_ too hard to install sd card on macdevice
19:47 heap_ apple
20:33 heap_ well so i cant boot official solidrun debian with that esata box
20:33 heap_ arch can run with it
20:33 heap_ ah ok
20:33 heap_ it booted up
20:34 heap_ just hdmi output is blackhole
20:35 heap_ The program 'less' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing:
20:35 heap_ uhm whats that debian install ;/
20:35 heap_ only shell?:>
20:37 heap_ it looks like that arch arm is better tunned then debian
20:37 heap_ i can see only 2 drives from 4 total
20:38 heap_ http://pastie.org/10561172
20:38 heap_ mk001: around
20:39 mk001 heap_: yes, just busy
20:40 heap_ ah ok
20:42 heap_ mk001: ping me when you are free
20:52 heap_ ah is there anyone who is maintaing that debian for cubox?
20:52 heap_ i cant even do apt-get update...
20:53 heap_ Err https://repo.solid-build.xyz ./ Packages The requested URL returned error: 404
20:53 heap_ W: Failed to fetch https://repo.solid-build.xyz/debian/wheezy/bsp-imx6/./Sources The requested URL returned error: 404
21:10 Artox heap_: looking into it
21:10 Artox hang on
21:12 heap_ ok
21:14 heap_ Artox: thx
21:21 Artox heap_: something is indeed wrong with the wheezy repo
21:21 Artox :<
21:21 Artox looks like something went wrong while mirroring
21:21 heap_ ;-(((
21:21 heap_ why?
21:21 heap_ shit
21:21 Artox just a few files missing
21:22 Artox will have to do some more tests before I republish
21:22 heap_ are u able to fix?
21:22 Artox because there are updates queued
21:23 heap_ Artox: are u able to fix it?
21:23 Artox sure
21:23 heap_ perfect.
21:23 Artox but it will be a few minutes still
21:23 Artox if all goes well
21:23 heap_ np, pls let me know
21:23 heap_ ill retest
21:24 Artox now pray reboot works
21:24 heap_ bc all of disk enclosure crashes...
21:24 heap_ Block bitmap differences: +(1474302497--1474302752) +(1526631550--1526633000) +(1526633002--1526661119) +(1526863104--1526863359)
21:24 heap_ shit
21:24 heap_ hope data wont be corrupted
21:24 Artox but there are no changes to the kernel about disk thingies
21:24 Artox just
21:24 Artox looks like display is working again
21:24 Artox yay
21:33 Artox looks good enough. Now to try another board
21:34 heap_ ok
21:41 Artox other board worked too
21:43 Artox something is wrong with audio, but I am publishing repos nnow
21:49 heap_ so ready?
21:49 Artox nop
21:49 Exaga Artox: o/
21:50 Artox Greetings Exaga
21:50 Exaga malte_: o/
21:50 Exaga hey there
21:52 Artox heap_: please try if apt-get update reports any errors now
21:55 heap_ ok
22:01 heap_ Artox: no errors
22:02 Artox great
22:02 Artox thanks
22:06 heap_ np
22:10 heap_ any idea
22:10 heap_ [ 409.807222] mxc_hdmi 20e0000.hdmi_video: mxc_hdmi_cable_connected_edid reports DVI mode
22:10 heap_ [ 412.084363] mxc_hdmi 20e0000.hdmi_video: same edid
22:11 heap_ and hdmi connection to monitor doesnt work
22:11 heap_ monitor is black
22:11 Artox after update and reboot?
22:12 Artox its a DVI monitor, right?
22:13 heap_ ye
22:13 heap_ after reboot
22:14 Artox :/
22:14 Artox cant help you there
22:14 Artox mk001: you know something about DVI screens?
22:16 mk001 some little
22:16 mk001 what we with jnettlet did
22:16 mk001 why
22:16 Artox another report of dvi not working
22:16 Artox :)
22:17 mk001 oh ok from heap
22:17 Artox and when I tried saturday night, my dvi screen didn't work either
22:17 mk001 I will discuss with him
23:40 Artox in case anybody is interested: I published new debian images with the latest kernel updates, and updates to the vpu libs
23:41 Artox nothing in there that can not be achieved by apt-get upgrade