#cubox irc log of Mon 04 Jan 2016

IRC log of #cubox of Mon 04 Jan 2016. All times are in CET < Back to index

06:05 mWaltari Ei ole ruuhkaa officella... :)

06:08 mWaltari Oops (Wrong window)

08:55 topi` mWaltari: good to know we're not the only team who uses IRC at work ;)

08:56 topi` rabeeh: I guess I'm safe as long as I order such Click boards which state they can operate both on 3.3V and 5V?

10:47 vpeter Hummingboard edge can boot directly from emmc?

11:06 vpeter jnettlet: Hummingboard edge can boot directly from emmc right?

11:06 jnettlet vpeter, yes but you need a custom fused uSoM

11:09 sysgif jnettlet: can we flash Hummingboard then from SD card, or some special hardware / software is needed?

11:10 jnettlet sysgif, flash an image to the sdhc card?

11:10 jnettlet you can do that from another PC using windisk imager in Windows, or dd in linux/osx

11:13 sysbmp jnettle: if I want to bood directly from emmc, how can I install system on emmc?

11:14 sysbmp jnettle: for example beaglebone copies files from SD card to emmc, and then runs directly from emmc

11:16 sysgif jnettle: I believe uSoM does not have a bootloader, which would do that?

11:19 jnettlet sysgif, all our boards fallback to USB recovery mode that can be used to write the image to eMMC

11:24 sysgif jnettlet: Thank you.

11:27 sysgif jnettlet: I have one more question. Do I need to order fused uSoM, or we can set fuses ourselve?

11:28 jnettlet sysgif, you need an unfused uSoM and then set the fuses yourselves. This is also done over the USB recovery interface

11:28 jnettlet it is documented in the wiki

11:29 malte_ http://wiki.solid-run.com/doku.php?id=products:imx6:microsom:imx6-fuse

11:29 sysgif jnettlet, malte_: ok, thank you

12:33 _rd Hi, can anybody recommend a good DVB-S/S2 hardware for cubox-i/openelec?

12:37 Defiant _rd: dvbsky works here

13:04 _rd Defiant: DVBSky S960 DVB-S2 (?). Do you need a separate power supply or is the USB from the CuBox-i sufficient?

13:06 Defiant _rd: separate

16:02 topi` there's an article about Cubox-4ipro on networkworld.com

16:02 topi` http://www.networkworld.com/article/2852983/linux/cubox-i4pro-a-whole-lotta-linux-or-android-for-not-a-whole-lotta-cash.html

16:05 vpeter One year old already.

16:06 jnettlet yeah, time flies

16:07 topi` sorry didn't check that... the link was sent to me by a colleague

16:07 topi` yeah I was wondering "what, is the i4pro a *new* product??"

16:08 jnettlet There is a white one now :)

16:08 topi` neat

16:11 vpeter https://image-store.slidesharecdn.com/20ae9c23-4c3d-4fc0-8ee6-0c64d86677cc-large.jpeg

16:12 topi` on the HB Gate, I see 7 pads that are labeled "SATA"... is it possible to actually solder a 2.5" sata connector here?

16:14 jnettlet topi`, those are m.2 SATA

16:14 topi` is there any electrical difference?

16:14 topi` hmm, I think the M.2 NGFF is just next to the uSOM

16:14 jnettlet it is populated for the Edge. Unfortunately the Mikrobus spec is just slightly to narrow to run the card through the middle of the risers.

16:15 topi` I meant the 7 pads that exist right below the Mikrobus

16:15 topi` yeah we received 10 Edges and those do have the M.2 connector right there, but the 7 pads are located above that

16:18 jnettlet oh those. No idea I have never paid any attention to them.

16:19 jnettlet seems like something like this should work. http://estore.circuitassembly.com/products/7-pin-serial-ata-host-plug-right-angle-surface-mount.html

16:19 jnettlet let me check the schematic

16:20 jnettlet The mechanical hole defines it as M.2 2230 form factor wise. it can used with i.MX6 dual / quad SoCs since only both those have SATA function. Notice that this M.2 SSD overlaps with SATA 7 pin to the right. So either this or the above features can be assembled and used

16:20 jnettlet topi`, yep just solder it up

16:21 jnettlet Notes - 1. This feature overlaps with M.2 SSD on the left. So either this or M.2 can be assembled and used. 2. Notice J26 is adjacent to U10002 pins 15 and 16. U10002 pins 15,16 and J26 can assemble together a 100 mil SATA HDD 12v and 5V power cable connector when V_DCJACK_IN_FLTR is set as 12V, i.e. the user R11 must be assembled. It is used as a uses a 12V power supply.

17:25 topi` only +5V is needed for 2.5" HDD/SSD drives

17:26 topi` this might actually be *possible* to surface mount by oneself, since the SATA pads are huge in comparison to some other pads :)

17:27 topi` the number of ARM SoCs that have SATA support (internal) is very very low, basically some expensive Tegras, the i.MX6 or Allwinner A20

17:27 jnettlet oh sure, that should be a relatively simple mod

17:27 topi` The A20 is cheap, but I'd rule it out for a number of reasons :)

17:29 topi` a HB Edge with Dual or Quad becomes more expensive, but then again... it's not necessary to handle with the chinese mess

17:29 jnettlet The Tegras are nice, but use more power and are kind of a waste if you aren't using the GPU/Media capabilities

17:29 topi` agreed

17:30 topi` and it was only just recently that NVIDIA opened up some GPU bits of the Tegra K1

17:30 topi` I had one devboard based on Allwinner A31, I never got that to work properly

17:30 topi` any attempts to ask questions from the chinese ended up badly

17:31 topi` it's not always incompetence. SOmetimes they just don't know english and misunderstand completely.

17:34 jnettlet well having been to China to train developers for a large software company this is what I can say. They are all knowledgeable but their knowledge is super compartmentalized. When I was explaining all the work I had done and how it worked I was literally talking to a room of 50 people who would be taking over the responsibilities

17:35 jnettlet so when debugging a problem a support person literally will need to go down a workflow of people and if the appropriate info isn't available come back to the customer for answers before progressing

17:38 topi` yeah, they don't seem know whom to ask

18:05 vpeter I'm in telecommunications busines at work. In case of a problem at a customer there is one main guy which is delegated for a problem and a fix. And it can ask few people around him. When same task happen at Huawei for example there is a room of 30 people and still need much more time for a fix. When some testing is done we are at the end with the tests when they start on them :)

06:05	mWaltari	Ei ole ruuhkaa officella... :)
06:08	mWaltari	Oops (Wrong window)
08:55	topi`	mWaltari: good to know we're not the only team who uses IRC at work ;)
08:56	topi`	rabeeh: I guess I'm safe as long as I order such Click boards which state they can operate both on 3.3V and 5V?
10:47	vpeter	Hummingboard edge can boot directly from emmc?
11:06	vpeter	jnettlet: Hummingboard edge can boot directly from emmc right?
11:06	jnettlet	vpeter, yes but you need a custom fused uSoM
11:09	sysgif	jnettlet: can we flash Hummingboard then from SD card, or some special hardware / software is needed?
11:10	jnettlet	sysgif, flash an image to the sdhc card?
11:10	jnettlet	you can do that from another PC using windisk imager in Windows, or dd in linux/osx
11:13	sysbmp	jnettle: if I want to bood directly from emmc, how can I install system on emmc?
11:14	sysbmp	jnettle: for example beaglebone copies files from SD card to emmc, and then runs directly from emmc
11:16	sysgif	jnettle: I believe uSoM does not have a bootloader, which would do that?
11:19	jnettlet	sysgif, all our boards fallback to USB recovery mode that can be used to write the image to eMMC
11:24	sysgif	jnettlet: Thank you.
11:27	sysgif	jnettlet: I have one more question. Do I need to order fused uSoM, or we can set fuses ourselve?
11:28	jnettlet	sysgif, you need an unfused uSoM and then set the fuses yourselves. This is also done over the USB recovery interface
11:28	jnettlet	it is documented in the wiki
11:29	malte_	http://wiki.solid-run.com/doku.php?id=products:imx6:microsom:imx6-fuse
11:29	sysgif	jnettlet, malte_: ok, thank you
12:33	_rd	Hi, can anybody recommend a good DVB-S/S2 hardware for cubox-i/openelec?
12:37	Defiant	_rd: dvbsky works here
13:04	_rd	Defiant: DVBSky S960 DVB-S2 (?). Do you need a separate power supply or is the USB from the CuBox-i sufficient?
13:06	Defiant	_rd: separate
16:02	topi`	there's an article about Cubox-4ipro on networkworld.com
16:02	topi`	http://www.networkworld.com/article/2852983/linux/cubox-i4pro-a-whole-lotta-linux-or-android-for-not-a-whole-lotta-cash.html
16:05	vpeter	One year old already.
16:06	jnettlet	yeah, time flies
16:07	topi`	sorry didn't check that... the link was sent to me by a colleague
16:07	topi`	yeah I was wondering "what, is the i4pro a new product??"
16:08	jnettlet	There is a white one now :)
16:08	topi`	neat
16:11	vpeter	https://image-store.slidesharecdn.com/20ae9c23-4c3d-4fc0-8ee6-0c64d86677cc-large.jpeg
16:12	topi`	on the HB Gate, I see 7 pads that are labeled "SATA"... is it possible to actually solder a 2.5" sata connector here?
16:14	jnettlet	topi`, those are m.2 SATA
16:14	topi`	is there any electrical difference?
16:14	topi`	hmm, I think the M.2 NGFF is just next to the uSOM
16:14	jnettlet	it is populated for the Edge. Unfortunately the Mikrobus spec is just slightly to narrow to run the card through the middle of the risers.
16:15	topi`	I meant the 7 pads that exist right below the Mikrobus
16:15	topi`	yeah we received 10 Edges and those do have the M.2 connector right there, but the 7 pads are located above that
16:18	jnettlet	oh those. No idea I have never paid any attention to them.
16:19	jnettlet	seems like something like this should work. http://estore.circuitassembly.com/products/7-pin-serial-ata-host-plug-right-angle-surface-mount.html
16:19	jnettlet	let me check the schematic
16:20	jnettlet	The mechanical hole defines it as M.2 2230 form factor wise. it can used with i.MX6 dual / quad SoCs since only both those have SATA function. Notice that this M.2 SSD overlaps with SATA 7 pin to the right. So either this or the above features can be assembled and used
16:20	jnettlet	topi`, yep just solder it up
16:21	jnettlet	Notes - 1. This feature overlaps with M.2 SSD on the left. So either this or M.2 can be assembled and used. 2. Notice J26 is adjacent to U10002 pins 15 and 16. U10002 pins 15,16 and J26 can assemble together a 100 mil SATA HDD 12v and 5V power cable connector when V_DCJACK_IN_FLTR is set as 12V, i.e. the user R11 must be assembled. It is used as a uses a 12V power supply.
17:25	topi`	only +5V is needed for 2.5" HDD/SSD drives
17:26	topi`	this might actually be possible to surface mount by oneself, since the SATA pads are huge in comparison to some other pads :)
17:27	topi`	the number of ARM SoCs that have SATA support (internal) is very very low, basically some expensive Tegras, the i.MX6 or Allwinner A20
17:27	jnettlet	oh sure, that should be a relatively simple mod
17:27	topi`	The A20 is cheap, but I'd rule it out for a number of reasons :)
17:29	topi`	a HB Edge with Dual or Quad becomes more expensive, but then again... it's not necessary to handle with the chinese mess
17:29	jnettlet	The Tegras are nice, but use more power and are kind of a waste if you aren't using the GPU/Media capabilities
17:29	topi`	agreed
17:30	topi`	and it was only just recently that NVIDIA opened up some GPU bits of the Tegra K1
17:30	topi`	I had one devboard based on Allwinner A31, I never got that to work properly
17:30	topi`	any attempts to ask questions from the chinese ended up badly
17:31	topi`	it's not always incompetence. SOmetimes they just don't know english and misunderstand completely.
17:34	jnettlet	well having been to China to train developers for a large software company this is what I can say. They are all knowledgeable but their knowledge is super compartmentalized. When I was explaining all the work I had done and how it worked I was literally talking to a room of 50 people who would be taking over the responsibilities
17:35	jnettlet	so when debugging a problem a support person literally will need to go down a workflow of people and if the appropriate info isn't available come back to the customer for answers before progressing
17:38	topi`	yeah, they don't seem know whom to ask
18:05	vpeter	I'm in telecommunications busines at work. In case of a problem at a customer there is one main guy which is delegated for a problem and a fix. And it can ask few people around him. When same task happen at Huawei for example there is a room of 30 people and still need much more time for a fix. When some testing is done we are at the end with the tests when they start on them :)